--- In [email protected], "mainstream20016" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I have been carefully staying out of this, > > partly because, on the few non-argument- > > driven forums I hang out in on the Net, > > abortion is a banned issue. > > > > The reason is that, as someone said earlier, > > one is either pregnant or one isn't. It's > > that kinda issue. > > > > You're either "for" or "against." Like > > pregnancy itself, it's tough to find a > > middle ground amongst all the rhetoric. > > > > So, just for something fun to do on a > > sunny afternoon in Sitges after a rain, > > with the environment washed clean and my > > self feeling similarly so, I think I'll > > actually violate a personal rule and > > weigh in on the subject. Just this once. > > > > --- In [email protected], "mainstream20016" > > <mainstream20016@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "oneradiantbeing" > > <oneradiantbeing@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mainstream: The wanton disregard of the fetus in determining > > > > to abort is incredibly cruel. > > > > Mainstream, have you ever been the guy > > helping a woman to get through an abortion? > > > > From the way you speak, I have to imagine > > that you have not. I have, several times. And > > none of the fetuses in question had the slight- > > est DNA link to my own. I tried to help the > > women through a painful experience because > > they were in pain and I wanted to help, in > > any way I could. > > > > One of the only ways in which I found that I > > *could* be helpful was just not to judge. > > > > I'm sorry, but there is just one enormous load > > of judgment in your statement above. It's in > > the second and third words of the sentence. > > > > "'Wanton disregard' of the fetus?" > > > > How about wanton disregard of the carrier of > > the fetus? > > > > It is *not* as if abortion is an easy decision. > > You're trying to make it sound as if it is one. > > > > I'm sorry, but if you had been the shoulder to > > cry on for as many women who have made the > > decision to have an abortion as I have, I don't > > think you'd talk the way you did above. > > > > > > DS: I believe it's more cruel for a religion or government > > > > to abduct the bodily rights of a living individual and > > > > force them to reproduce against their will. > > > > The bottom line is actually more sinister than > > that. When abortion is banned, the religion or > > government in question has abducted the woman's > > right to *have* a will. > > > > It's a power game. They're trying to impose > > *their* will on the will of all the women whom > > they mistakenly think they "govern." Whether it's > > a priest or a state governor, it's almost always > > a man. And that man is saying to the women he is > > supposed to *represent* within a democracy, "So > > I understand that you think you have a will. I'm > > here to tell you that you don't have one. No matter > > what *you* decide about this fetus dwelling within > > you, I am here to say -- definitively -- that your > > ideas on this matter Just Don't Count. *I* am the > > one who gets to decide what is right and what is > > wrong in such matters, not you. Live with it. And > > if you don't *like* living with it, please remem- > > ber that I have the right [in the near past and, > > if some people get their way, in one possible > > future] to throw you in jail / excommunicate you. > > But you do what you think is right. I'll wait." > > > > > If one doesn't want to reproduce, one should prevent pregnancy. > > > There are many convenient ways of preventing pregnancy. > > > > There are many convenient ways of trying. Not > > one of them is foolproof. > > > > Every one of the women I helped get through an > > abortion was practicing -- and regularly, without > > a single exception -- some purportedly effective > > means of birth control. > > > > I'm sorry, Mainstream, but you're talkin' like a > > priest or a politician -- and above all, like a > > GUY -- trying your best to make women feel really, > > really, really, really BAD about contemplating an > > abortion, or having had one in the past. And in > > my book, that puts you on a very, very, very, very > > different plane of attention than the women I held > > while they sobbed their way through the experience > > you so blithely call "wanton disregard of the fetus." > > > > You have NOTHING to say about it. > > > > It's not your body. > > > > It's not your decision. > > You pose your declaration as though I were blocking the > entrance to an abortiion clinic in protest. How dare you > suggest I refrain from expressing my thinking that abortion > is cruel! Regarding your compassionate support to so > many women tormented by their decision to abort - I think > you had alot more involvement in their basic predicament, > and that you lobbied for the eventual decision that caused > them so much pain.
Wow. This is so insane that I'm a little afraid. Now you know why I don't discuss abortion; it brings out the inner fanatic in people.
