--- In [email protected], "yifuxero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --Thanks curtis - answers below: > [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "yifuxero" <yifuxero@> wrote: > > > > > > --- My theory: in general, irrespective of certained named > > > individuals, there is a non-dual Neo-Advaitic state in which > finite > > > mind has lost the capacity to distinguish between Self and not- > Self; > > > and thus is not truly "non-dual". Unfortunately, such a state may > be > > > quite far from true Enlightenment, as exemplified by persons such > as > > > Sakyamuni Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, and Guru Dev. > > > > This part really interests me. Why would you believe that these > guys, > > who you have not even met, are in some special state of > consciousness? > ANS: I can see directly into their energy field and awareness > level, to a certain extent. > > > > Can you distinguish them from fervent Christians who describe their > > experience of being "saved" and knowing the truth of life after > death? > ANS: No connection between othodox Christian "salvation" and non- > duality. Those fervent evangelical Christians who are "saved" must > some day begin the quest for Enlightenment. After death, such "saved" > persons are trapped in a level of dualistic ignorance, if not > Enlightened (which would be rare indeed).. > >
But that was the easiest part of my question...can you help me with the rest? > > Both of them are absolutely sure of their perspective, so how do you > > distinguish? > ANS: Again, I can see into their energy bodies to a certain extent. > > > > Do you care if Guys like Guru Dev were really in a higher state of > > consciousness than you are in, really? > > ANS: What do you mean by this? I care about everything, unlike the > Neo-Advaitins whose motto is "I don't know and I don't care". > > > Any information would be appreciated, I am fascinated by how people > > put this belief together. > ANS: It's more of an observation > > > > > > > > > Basically, the bogus non-dual Neo-Advaitic state is simply > another > > > level of delusion; but even more insidious than the ordinary > Self/not- > > > Self delusion. In the latter type of delusion, the individual is > > > still capable of recognizing the rope/snake error. > > > In the Neo-Advaitic delusional state, the individual has > > > unfortunately lost even the ability to discriminate between Self > and > > > not-Self; and a vast gulf may exist between such a claimant to > > > Enlightenment and the actual state. > > > The net result is that the individual has ceased striving for > the > > > true goal and may rest in the Neo-Advaitic plateau of ignorance; > > > until (perhaps) being rescued in the distant future. > > > > > > > > > In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" > <sandiego108@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" > > > <sandiego108@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" > <do.rflex@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > No. You're ignoring what I posted from Guru Dev that > there > > > > > indeed IS a > > > > > > > > universal subjective/objective reality which is ALL > worthy > > > of > > > > > > > > pursuing. Read it again and see if it's within your > > > capability > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comprehend it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > I both comprehend it and agree with it. That doesn't have > > > > > anything to > > > > > > > do with what I am asserting though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have presented from Guru Dev is a perspective on > > > living > > > > > one's > > > > > > > life that leads to true happiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're conveniently ignoring that Guru Dev gave a > description > > > of > > > > > THE > > > > > > *universal* subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the > > > *only* > > > > > one > > > > > > that can give *real* happiness. > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you then expressing such unhappiness here? > > > > > > > > > > If you truly believe in Guru Dev's description of "THE > > > *universal* > > > > > subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the *only* one > that > > > can > > > > > give *real* happiness", your own words, then why are you > unhappy > > > > > right now? Are you suggesting you are out of touch with such > a > > > > > reality as you believe in? If that is so, who's reality are > you > > > in > > > > > touch with? Sure seems like there is more than one according > to > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not claiming to be enlightened, Mr self- > proclaimed 'enlightened > > > > guy'. You're the one who is fraudulently claiming to be > enlightened. > > > > And changing the subject doesn't help your case at all. > > > > > > > > I also find it telling that you repeatedly snip 'my' arguments. > > > Like I > > > > said, all any intelligent sincere seeker has to do is to > compare > > > your > > > > rhetoric with that of genuine saints like Guru Dev was quoted > in > > > this > > > > thread, to see that you're an obvious fraud. > > > > > > > > > >
