--- In [email protected], "yifuxero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --Thanks curtis - answers below: 
> [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" 
> <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "yifuxero" <yifuxero@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- My theory: in general, irrespective of certained named 
> > > individuals, there is a non-dual Neo-Advaitic state in which 
> finite 
> > > mind has lost the capacity to distinguish between Self and not-
> Self; 
> > > and thus is not truly "non-dual". Unfortunately, such a state may 
> be 
> > > quite far from true Enlightenment, as exemplified by persons such 
> as 
> > > Sakyamuni Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, and Guru Dev.
> > 
> > This part really interests me.  Why would you believe that these 
> guys,
> > who you have not even met, are in some special state of 
> consciousness?
>   ANS: I can see directly into their energy field and awareness 
> level, to a certain extent.
> > 
> > Can you distinguish them from fervent Christians who describe their
> > experience of being "saved" and knowing the truth of life after 
> death?
>   ANS: No connection between othodox Christian "salvation" and non-
> duality.  Those fervent evangelical Christians who are "saved" must 
> some day begin the quest for Enlightenment. After death, such "saved" 
> persons are trapped in a level of dualistic ignorance, if not 
> Enlightened (which would be rare indeed).. 
> > 

But that was the easiest part of my question...can you help me with
the rest?



> > Both of them are absolutely sure of their perspective, so how do you
> > distinguish?
>  ANS: Again, I can see into their energy bodies to a certain extent. 
> > 
> > Do you care if Guys like Guru Dev were really in a higher state of
> > consciousness than you are in, really?
> > ANS: What do you mean by this?  I care about everything, unlike the 
> Neo-Advaitins whose motto is "I don't know and I don't care".
>  
> > Any information would be appreciated, I am fascinated by how people
> > put this belief together. 
> ANS: It's more of an observation
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >  Basically, the  bogus non-dual Neo-Advaitic state is simply 
> another 
> > > level of delusion; but even more insidious than the ordinary 
> Self/not-
> > > Self delusion.  In the latter type of delusion, the individual is 
> > > still capable of recognizing the rope/snake error.
> > >  In the Neo-Advaitic delusional state, the individual has 
> > > unfortunately lost even the ability to discriminate between Self 
> and 
> > > not-Self; and a vast gulf may exist between such a claimant to 
> > > Enlightenment and the actual state.
> > >  The net result is that the individual has ceased striving for 
> the 
> > > true goal and may rest in the Neo-Advaitic plateau of ignorance; 
> > > until (perhaps) being rescued in the distant future.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" 
> <sandiego108@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" 
> > > <sandiego108@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" 
> <do.rflex@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > No. You're ignoring what I posted from Guru Dev that 
> there 
> > > > > indeed IS a
> > > > > > > > universal subjective/objective reality which is ALL 
> worthy 
> > > of
> > > > > > > > pursuing. Read it again and see if it's within your 
> > > capability 
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > comprehend it:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > I both comprehend it and agree with it. That doesn't have 
> > > > > anything to
> > > > > > > do with what I am asserting though. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What you have presented from Guru Dev is a perspective on 
> > > living 
> > > > > one's
> > > > > > > life that leads to true happiness. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You're conveniently ignoring that Guru Dev gave a 
> description 
> > > of 
> > > > > THE
> > > > > > *universal* subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the 
> > > *only* 
> > > > > one
> > > > > > that can give *real* happiness. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > Why are you then expressing such unhappiness here? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you truly believe in Guru Dev's description of "THE 
> > > *universal* 
> > > > > subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the *only* one 
> that 
> > > can 
> > > > > give *real* happiness", your own words, then why are you 
> unhappy 
> > > > > right now? Are you suggesting you are out of touch with such 
> a 
> > > > > reality as you believe in? If that is so, who's reality are 
> you 
> > > in 
> > > > > touch with? Sure seems like there is more than one according 
> to 
> > > you.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not claiming to be enlightened, Mr self-
> proclaimed 'enlightened
> > > > guy'. You're the one who is fraudulently claiming to be 
> enlightened.
> > > > And changing the subject doesn't help your case at all.
> > > > 
> > > > I also find it telling that you repeatedly snip 'my' arguments. 
> > > Like I
> > > > said, all any intelligent sincere seeker has to do is to 
> compare 
> > > your
> > > > rhetoric with that of genuine saints like Guru Dev was quoted 
> in 
> > > this
> > > > thread, to see that you're an obvious fraud.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


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