--- In [email protected], "yifuxero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- My theory: in general, irrespective of certained named > individuals, there is a non-dual Neo-Advaitic state in which finite > mind has lost the capacity to distinguish between Self and not-Self; > and thus is not truly "non-dual". Unfortunately, such a state may be > quite far from true Enlightenment, as exemplified by persons such as > Sakyamuni Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, and Guru Dev.
This part really interests me. Why would you believe that these guys, who you have not even met, are in some special state of consciousness? Can you distinguish them from fervent Christians who describe their experience of being "saved" and knowing the truth of life after death? Both of them are absolutely sure of their perspective, so how do you distinguish? Do you care if Guys like Guru Dev were really in a higher state of consciousness than you are in, really? Any information would be appreciated, I am fascinated by how people put this belief together. > Basically, the bogus non-dual Neo-Advaitic state is simply another > level of delusion; but even more insidious than the ordinary Self/not- > Self delusion. In the latter type of delusion, the individual is > still capable of recognizing the rope/snake error. > In the Neo-Advaitic delusional state, the individual has > unfortunately lost even the ability to discriminate between Self and > not-Self; and a vast gulf may exist between such a claimant to > Enlightenment and the actual state. > The net result is that the individual has ceased striving for the > true goal and may rest in the Neo-Advaitic plateau of ignorance; > until (perhaps) being rescued in the distant future. > > > In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" <sandiego108@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" > <sandiego108@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > No. You're ignoring what I posted from Guru Dev that there > > > indeed IS a > > > > > > universal subjective/objective reality which is ALL worthy > of > > > > > > pursuing. Read it again and see if it's within your > capability > > > to > > > > > > comprehend it: > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > I both comprehend it and agree with it. That doesn't have > > > anything to > > > > > do with what I am asserting though. > > > > > > > > > > What you have presented from Guru Dev is a perspective on > living > > > one's > > > > > life that leads to true happiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > You're conveniently ignoring that Guru Dev gave a description > of > > > THE > > > > *universal* subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the > *only* > > > one > > > > that can give *real* happiness. > > > > > > > Why are you then expressing such unhappiness here? > > > > > > If you truly believe in Guru Dev's description of "THE > *universal* > > > subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the *only* one that > can > > > give *real* happiness", your own words, then why are you unhappy > > > right now? Are you suggesting you are out of touch with such a > > > reality as you believe in? If that is so, who's reality are you > in > > > touch with? Sure seems like there is more than one according to > you. > > > > > > I'm not claiming to be enlightened, Mr self-proclaimed 'enlightened > > guy'. You're the one who is fraudulently claiming to be enlightened. > > And changing the subject doesn't help your case at all. > > > > I also find it telling that you repeatedly snip 'my' arguments. > Like I > > said, all any intelligent sincere seeker has to do is to compare > your > > rhetoric with that of genuine saints like Guru Dev was quoted in > this > > thread, to see that you're an obvious fraud. > > >
