--- My theory: in general, irrespective of certained named 
individuals, there is a non-dual Neo-Advaitic state in which finite 
mind has lost the capacity to distinguish between Self and not-Self; 
and thus is not truly "non-dual". Unfortunately, such a state may be 
quite far from true Enlightenment, as exemplified by persons such as 
Sakyamuni Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, and Guru Dev.
 Basically, the  bogus non-dual Neo-Advaitic state is simply another 
level of delusion; but even more insidious than the ordinary Self/not-
Self delusion.  In the latter type of delusion, the individual is 
still capable of recognizing the rope/snake error.
 In the Neo-Advaitic delusional state, the individual has 
unfortunately lost even the ability to discriminate between Self and 
not-Self; and a vast gulf may exist between such a claimant to 
Enlightenment and the actual state.
 The net result is that the individual has ceased striving for the 
true goal and may rest in the Neo-Advaitic plateau of ignorance; 
until (perhaps) being rescued in the distant future.


In [email protected], "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" <sandiego108@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108" 
<sandiego108@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > No. You're ignoring what I posted from Guru Dev that there 
> > indeed IS a
> > > > > universal subjective/objective reality which is ALL worthy 
of
> > > > > pursuing. Read it again and see if it's within your 
capability 
> > to
> > > > > comprehend it:
> > > > > 
> > > > <snip>
> > > > I both comprehend it and agree with it. That doesn't have 
> > anything to
> > > > do with what I am asserting though. 
> > > > 
> > > > What you have presented from Guru Dev is a perspective on 
living 
> > one's
> > > > life that leads to true happiness. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You're conveniently ignoring that Guru Dev gave a description 
of 
> > THE
> > > *universal* subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the 
*only* 
> > one
> > > that can give *real* happiness. 
> > > 
> > Why are you then expressing such unhappiness here? 
> > 
> > If you truly believe in Guru Dev's description of "THE 
*universal* 
> > subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the *only* one that 
can 
> > give *real* happiness", your own words, then why are you unhappy 
> > right now? Are you suggesting you are out of touch with such a 
> > reality as you believe in? If that is so, who's reality are you 
in 
> > touch with? Sure seems like there is more than one according to 
you.
> 
> 
> I'm not claiming to be enlightened, Mr self-proclaimed 'enlightened
> guy'. You're the one who is fraudulently claiming to be enlightened.
> And changing the subject doesn't help your case at all.
> 
> I also find it telling that you repeatedly snip 'my' arguments. 
Like I
> said, all any intelligent sincere seeker has to do is to compare 
your
> rhetoric with that of genuine saints like Guru Dev was quoted in 
this
> thread, to see that you're an obvious fraud.
>


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