--Thanks curtis - answers below:
[email protected], "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "yifuxero" <yifuxero@> wrote:
> >
> > --- My theory: in general, irrespective of certained named
> > individuals, there is a non-dual Neo-Advaitic state in which
finite
> > mind has lost the capacity to distinguish between Self and not-
Self;
> > and thus is not truly "non-dual". Unfortunately, such a state may
be
> > quite far from true Enlightenment, as exemplified by persons such
as
> > Sakyamuni Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, and Guru Dev.
>
> This part really interests me. Why would you believe that these
guys,
> who you have not even met, are in some special state of
consciousness?
ANS: I can see directly into their energy field and awareness
level, to a certain extent.
>
> Can you distinguish them from fervent Christians who describe their
> experience of being "saved" and knowing the truth of life after
death?
ANS: No connection between othodox Christian "salvation" and non-
duality. Those fervent evangelical Christians who are "saved" must
some day begin the quest for Enlightenment. After death, such "saved"
persons are trapped in a level of dualistic ignorance, if not
Enlightened (which would be rare indeed)..
>
> Both of them are absolutely sure of their perspective, so how do you
> distinguish?
ANS: Again, I can see into their energy bodies to a certain extent.
>
> Do you care if Guys like Guru Dev were really in a higher state of
> consciousness than you are in, really?
> ANS: What do you mean by this? I care about everything, unlike the
Neo-Advaitins whose motto is "I don't know and I don't care".
> Any information would be appreciated, I am fascinated by how people
> put this belief together.
ANS: It's more of an observation
>
>
>
> > Basically, the bogus non-dual Neo-Advaitic state is simply
another
> > level of delusion; but even more insidious than the ordinary
Self/not-
> > Self delusion. In the latter type of delusion, the individual is
> > still capable of recognizing the rope/snake error.
> > In the Neo-Advaitic delusional state, the individual has
> > unfortunately lost even the ability to discriminate between Self
and
> > not-Self; and a vast gulf may exist between such a claimant to
> > Enlightenment and the actual state.
> > The net result is that the individual has ceased striving for
the
> > true goal and may rest in the Neo-Advaitic plateau of ignorance;
> > until (perhaps) being rescued in the distant future.
> >
> >
> > In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108"
<sandiego108@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "sandiego108"
> > <sandiego108@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex"
<do.rflex@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > No. You're ignoring what I posted from Guru Dev that
there
> > > > indeed IS a
> > > > > > > universal subjective/objective reality which is ALL
worthy
> > of
> > > > > > > pursuing. Read it again and see if it's within your
> > capability
> > > > to
> > > > > > > comprehend it:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > I both comprehend it and agree with it. That doesn't have
> > > > anything to
> > > > > > do with what I am asserting though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What you have presented from Guru Dev is a perspective on
> > living
> > > > one's
> > > > > > life that leads to true happiness.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You're conveniently ignoring that Guru Dev gave a
description
> > of
> > > > THE
> > > > > *universal* subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the
> > *only*
> > > > one
> > > > > that can give *real* happiness.
> > > > >
> > > > Why are you then expressing such unhappiness here?
> > > >
> > > > If you truly believe in Guru Dev's description of "THE
> > *universal*
> > > > subjective/objective reality [Paramatma] - the *only* one
that
> > can
> > > > give *real* happiness", your own words, then why are you
unhappy
> > > > right now? Are you suggesting you are out of touch with such
a
> > > > reality as you believe in? If that is so, who's reality are
you
> > in
> > > > touch with? Sure seems like there is more than one according
to
> > you.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not claiming to be enlightened, Mr self-
proclaimed 'enlightened
> > > guy'. You're the one who is fraudulently claiming to be
enlightened.
> > > And changing the subject doesn't help your case at all.
> > >
> > > I also find it telling that you repeatedly snip 'my' arguments.
> > Like I
> > > said, all any intelligent sincere seeker has to do is to
compare
> > your
> > > rhetoric with that of genuine saints like Guru Dev was quoted
in
> > this
> > > thread, to see that you're an obvious fraud.
> > >
> >
>
