--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
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> --- shanti2218411 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --It would be helpful in these discussions for there
> > to be 
> >    a common definition for terms being used
> > eg"real".When this word is 
> >    it may mean something very different from one
> > person to another.
> >    So for me the statement "the ego is not real" is
> > an absurd 
> >    statement thats because of how I define
> > "real".For someone using a 
> >    different definition this statement may make
> > perfrct sense.Kevin
> 
> The ego is not real from the "perspective" of CC.
> However it is real in waking state. Real meaning that
> it is experienced or a phenomenological reality. There
> is no individuality experienced in CC. There is a very
> clear individuality in waking state. 
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> >  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > There is a difference between speaking about ego,
> > I, Self etc. as if 
> > > these were real objects that could be pointed to
> > meaningfully in an 
> > > abstract discussion, and speaking about one's
> > "sense of self". A sense 
> > > of self is an experience, not an idea. By all
> > appearances, it is a 
> > > very common experience, and the absence of it is
> > not at all a common 
> > > experience. Does this have anything to do with
> > what is "real"?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "marekreavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > "The ego(self) is as real as the 'it' in 'It's
> > raining.'"
> > > >      -- paraphrase from something posted last
> > year on FFL  
> > > > No it at all. Just raining.
> > 
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