--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:03 AM, jyouells2000 wrote: > > > > > Agreed 'sign's of awakening' can only be self > > reported. The difference > > > between nearly infinite and infinite is infinite. > > It's a catagory > > > difference. Once it is clearly known that > > unbounded is not a 'really > > > big space', and that eternal is not a 'really long > > time' the whole > > > idea of relative signs falls apart... > > > > In many traditions one checks ones View, their inner > > experience and POV > > with a teacher who's 'been there, done that'. I > > can't tell you how many > > people I've met who thought they were enlightened > > after a certain > > experience or shift in awareness. In every case the > > experience was a > > symptom of some part of awakening or some aspect of > > the Path. In the > > first part of my training a portion was on people > > who will report > > instances of enlightenment after practicing certain > > practices, so there > > is a practical literature out there on this very > > topic, it's just not > > generally discussed outside the tradition (let alone > > on email lists). > > > > -V. > > Yes, what is usually discussed on an e-mail list are > peoples' mental models of enlightenment and how wrong > you are if you don't express your experience of > enlightenment within the confines of my mental model. > >
How about: "How futile it is to attempt to express experiences, period?" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
