No actually there was clearly a gangbang on Vaj this morning and I find it somehow shallow. It's especially shallow to utilize any supposed guru or master to make some tawdry and inconsequential point. The poster cannot know the results of Norbu or of Garab Dorge as his words show that he felt they didn't work. That's a personal decision and one I hope he unlearns. Dzogchen is not a thing. It will never be explained to anyone. You pick it up by grace of the Dakini or your pass it by.
There are some other systems which have been very much like Dzogchen in the distant past, but Sri Devi cults are perhaps the closest Hindu thing. Having a flowing and expanded Brahman awareness is what one is trying to also accomplish in Dzogchen, but it has ethical and epistimological variations from other systems as it will by nature. TM is somehow loosely related to Dzogchen at the outset by virtue of taking an angle of effortlessness. From where is the charm to make anything effortless? This is what one should be asking, and hopefully finding. I feel fortunate that I knew enough to research and find Shakti within, shakti without, clear mental aspect of dakini as guru all complete in Dzogchen. Enough. I am full. I also am a hypocrit. I feel like whining right now. I just am tired of guru/system bashing since I really am essentially rootless and I have to include all different peoples as my friends. I want to like all of you. Over about six years I have been coming here such has not been the case however as some remain permanently in the dumpster, and some people I have learned to actually really dislike and now I would never want to meet them. That's really not the way it should be in this mystical paradise of life, amongst the spiritual, or at least, spirited. My words are not false, and there's no reason for people of some "Age of Enlightenment" doing alot of bashing - unless it's the kind of bashing that we do really well down here NOLA. Of course in some ways the whole of TMO/Golden Domes etc is a sort of such bashing, a silent bash, if you will, with a small bite of white cake at the end. That's okay. This was enough fun at FFLife for me for one day. And I don't even have a life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "enlightened_dawn11" <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] What is the nature of "attachment?" (Re: All of Patanjali's 8 limbs ) > hey Kirk, all the poster said was that the guru's programs produced > mediocre results, as evidenced by the behavior of one of his > followers. hardly "guru bashing". and you have let this same > follower shit all over the Maharishi on a regular basis. quit being > a hypocrite and whiner. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <kirk_bernha...@...> > wrote: >> >> >> > Clearly, Vaj is trying to compensate for the mediocre results of >> > his Garab Dorje/Norbu program by making false and twisted claims >> > about the programs which really do work. >> >> >> ------I just outright object on the principle of guru bashing as a > bad >> practice altogether. Please stop it now. I can offer no threat to > make my >> words sink in but I accept these words above as proof that > ignorance itself >> is its own pay back. To read the absurdities in the whole stinking > topic and >> the offended outcries is like taking barf for oatmeal. So few > people here >> have any real appreciateion of anything. I mean, there are some > here who can >> appreciate things. But then so many also seem like Christian > Puritans. What >> the hell is all this blather proving exactly. Leave Namkhai > Norbu's name >> entirely out of this discussion please. You offend others than > just Vaj. >> Insult Garab Dorge, insult your own very essence. How low idiotic > is that? >> >> There is no conceivable difference between Advaita and Dzogchen > since >> neither deals with a conceptual state. All we have are footprints, > and some >> notes from some few interested practitioners. No other's opinions > have any >> bearing on anything. The intellectual trappings of each system in > each >> system try to be overcome from within and they are not always > successful. >> While some people here have excellent grasp of many systems I have > yet to >> see anyone who has synthesized and become intregral. Able to > understand ALL >> the teachings. Without bullshit and name calling and negative > insinuation, >> as if someone who does one path or another is a whore or > something. Frankly >> I have known some nicer whores that some of you here, but that's > just >> neither here nor there really. Some men and women learn compassion > faster >> and give more on their backs then some give on their meditation > cushions. >> And subsequent actions. >> >> Of course I'm nobody to talk as I was a stupid TM freak myself for > quite a >> long time and yet it was that fact that showed me that TMO was > going the way >> of fertilizer. I am sure it won't surprise anyone here that I > stand up for >> Vaj's intellectual rigor as I know that he knows more than most of > you, >> since he has been around for a long very long time and known many > gurus. You >> all really have no idea who he is at all. >> >> As for many of you others, I don't know you, I only know your > words, and >> when you insult my guru you are inviting me to leave this place. > Again. >> Cause I won't abide it. >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
