below --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltabl...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: > > Hey thanks for responding Edg. Your POV seems much more calculated as a parental act towards Kirk than Alex's to me.
Okay, once again, you come at me with "turn it around, Byron Katie" thingy. Nice. Yeah, I feel parental to the world in general -- with six planets in Leo and being a world class narcissist, well, it comes with the territory. I like the vibe of someone who is willing to help me avoid stepping in dog shit by saying "look out." I would do the same. Yeah, me too, but Alex was making a special case for Kirk -- something he may never have done for others who also approached the posting limitation. Do you think that Kirk is less endowed and needs special protection? I don't know why you didn't just go with your own first impulse to warn rather than default to the tough love angle, but then, I am not you. (shut up Vendantists!) I almost did post "hey Kirk you're gunna go over" but Alex did that before I could, so there was no need for a second opinion as I saw it. My tough love says it's okay to warn about dog shit, but to take a person's right to post-and-go-over-and-fail-the-rules seems to be more about Alex wanting not to have to be the one who bans Kirk than it was about Alex wanting to be sure Alex got more of Kirk's wisdom in the next week of postings. Alex, is my concept here true about you? > > The least instructive aspect of this board for any of us is it's rules IMO. A warning is a nice way to maintain the board's rules with the kind of compassion that gives the joint much of it's charm to me. Again, no disagreement with ya. It's nice that Rick and Alex have cut Kirk a break in the past, and it'll be nice in the future, but the "law of the tender feeling level" demands that we not besmirch each other with assumptions that the other is going to fail. In fact, I didn't know about Alex turning off Kirk's posting rights, and when I saw that Kirk had stopped at 50, I nearly swooned with delight that he'd had the self control -- I was very relieved. Finding out that Alex was the reason instead of Kirk's integrity was a major let down. I was going "Alright Kirk baby, ya did it," and then, poof. So, see? Alex robbed Kirk of the chance to show excellence.....or, yeah, fail. To me, Alex grabbed Kirk's coloring book and did all the work and showed Kirk how to color within the lines. Just so you know, my kids "ruined" coloring book after coloring book with page after page of wild scribbling. I figured they had to go through the scribbling stage to get to the point where they'd attempt the harder challenges -- or, hey, come to the conclusion that coloring books were fascist and an anathema upon learning how to draw. > But I asked the highly intellectual, WTF?, and you gave your perspective. Thanks for that. > I guess I'm getting used to your energy behind your text. The WTF didn't clobber me like, say, a WTF from Willy who's intent nomally is to cause emotional discomfort, whereas you're always more in the energy of "come on, dude, do you hear what you're saying?" and calling me to come to a higher clarity. I'm not cutting you a break, I really believe you have a kind heart, and I try to see that heart when I'm not jiggy with your concepts. > > > > > > > below > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: > > > > > > Come on Edg, Alex shows a bit of kindness and you question it? WTF?? > > > > > Curtis, > > > > Hey, I was just sayin'. Miss not that I think Alex is a fine human > > being, and that he's doing us all a big service by helping Rick with > > FFL. > > > > I guess I should have told Alex that I, too, was worried about Kirk > > overposting, and I was crossing my fingers and hoping he'd control > > himself -- cuz, more than once, he's quit FFL after having been banned, > > and if he flits off in a snit, that would be a loss for all of us. > > > > So, again, it's not Alex's heart's desire that I disagree with. I > > wanted to protect Kirk too, but my desire extends to letting Kirk fail. > > When my kids first started walking, I had to let them practice without > > my holding their hands. They fell many times, but each time was a > > learning experience. > > > > And, fuck, Kirk's a growed up man for crissakes. > > > > If he wants to overpost for any reason or by mistake, it's his life to > > run and bear the consequences. In fact, since Kirk has been banned here > > from time to time, we all get to see how stellar his soul is by the fact > > that he comes back here and subjects himself to the rules once again. > > If I were banned and thought of the rules being as unwise as I believe > > Kirk thinks of them, I strongly doubt I would have the strength of > > character that Kirk has -- I wouldn't be coming back. My bad, but my > > bad underline's Kirk's bigass modeling for us....a modeling that only > > happens when Kirk "fails our rules." > > > > I think the most Alex should do is what he actually did at first -- warn > > Kirk about the limits. Even that is "too parental" if Alex doesn't warn > > others in the same way. > > > > Kirk's a neat guy, and I would suspect he'll come out with a "no skin > > off my nose" statement and tell us he wasn't bothered by the "velvet > > handcuffing." > > > > But, growed up folks are nutured by tough love and "exceptions to the > > rules made for the sake of a lesser endowed person" should be very very > > rare. > > > > I would be insulted if Alex did this "favor" for me. I'd be embarrassed > > to get any special treatment, and I would take it that this was a > > negative judgement that I was a mental cripple of some sort. > > > > So, yeah, I elbowed Alex, and we got to see Alex's response. And, > > that's what Kirk deserves -- we get to see what he does if we elbow him > > off of FFL for a week. Adult stuff, see? > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > > > > > Um, was that a moral act? > > > > > > > > It was according to my moral compass. Others may differ. > > > > > > > > > Where's your sense of "The Prime Directive?" Must not we allow > > > > > Kirk the right to "fail" our posting rules? > > > > > > > > FFL is not the fictional Star Trek universe. > > > > > > > > > Seems to me you did him a wrong by some sort of unauthorized > > > > > "parenting." > > > > > > > > And, maybe I did him a right. > > > > > > > > > And, hey, do I get the same oversight by you? > > > > > > > > It would depend on the circumstances. > > > > > > > > > If not, then you're kinda saying, "Kirk's not responsible for > > > > > his actions, and we have to 'contain' him for his own good." > > > > > > > > That's basically true. I had a very strong feeling that he would > > overpost, and considering the crummy space he's been in lately, I > > intervened. > > > > > > > > > To me, whenever Kirk goes over the limit, I cringe, cuz I like > > > > > the dude's stuff, but I think he deserves the right to see what > > > > > his mind comes up with when he's banned for a week. I'd rather > > > > > see him banned and come to terms with that reality than see him > > > > > "controlled by Alex" -- and, please note, I think you think you > > > > > did him a favor, so your intentions are not the focus here. > > > > > > > > Your opinion is duly noted. Frankly, though, I'm more interested in > > hearing how Kirk feels about this. And, if he doesn't want to waste a > > post on meta stuff, he should email me privately. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <kirk_bernhardt@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you do that again? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Mods ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Kirk, I admit I was keeping an eye on your post count, and when > > I saw that you had hit 50, I killed your posting privileges until 7pm > > Friday because I *really* didn't want to see you booted off for a week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, tomorrow I and my longtime friend and erstwhile cooking > > partner > > > > > > > > Darren Housey of Lakeview, Louisiana, will be trying out for > > a New Orleans > > > > > > > > based cooking show for Food Network. Please wish us luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
