Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even remotely looks like "quiet time."
I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I was there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made eye contact with them to "brow beat them into closing their eyes." Yeah, I was the substitute and kids like to misbehave when a sub is there, but, still, if that's how they act when "no one important is looking," then that's a strong measurement of MSAE's inability to inculcate a reverence for TM...or that a reverence naturally bubbles up eventually in the kids. And don't miss that all the rich folks never send their kids to MUM for college. In the public schools, believe me, any TM teacher is going to be a substitute to them, and quiet time will be only as quiet as you can get a room with twenty spitballs whizzing constantly. It'll be war. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltabl...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit > > against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet > > Time issue so far, > > > Ah, TM "Quiet Time",what perfect rebranding. Who could object to a little > quiet time. > > Catholic Communion "Quiet Time" > > Santeria Chicken sacrifice "Quiet Time" > > Giving yourself to Jesus' salvation "Quiet Time" > > That works really well but I think I missed a special point of how to make it > even more palatable for the schools from the TM pros. > > CC "Quiet Time" > SCS "Quiet Time" > GYTJS "Quiet Time" > > Now who could ever have a problem with that! Those names just sound sooooo > cute, kinda falls off the tongue. And how many harried parents and teachers > don't wish for a little more "Quiet Time!" > > One last one for a bonus point: > STFU "Quiet Time" > > It is so funny to see Paul up there when his own TM practice is by his own > description only occasional. He hasn't bought into many of the self > improvement benifits of regular practice. His most regular practice is > smoking weed, one of the biggest TM no-nos. The first time he tried it when > Bob Dylan turned the Beatles on, he exclaimed that he could really "think" > for the first time in his life. His correspondingly weak praise for TM seems > a bit damming in comparison. But like most people who took TM, even if he > gives it lip-service, he does not practice it regularly. Even if TM really > was what is claimed, the truth is that people won't practice it regularly, > even if they believe it works a bit. You have to buy into the deeper belief > system that includes more religious aspects for people to spend their time > doing TM. And it turns out that this is a tiny number of people compared to > who was initiated. The lone TMer practicing quietly without the full blown > belief system is a myth. > > But these kids who I have taught in school, at risk kids, with so many > sociological problems pulling at them that special education teachers > struggle to teach them to read a menu before the succumb to gangs who offer > them a family, these kids are going to do what millions of people with higher > educations and incomes failed to do: stick with TM. > > Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures don't address the social > ills that are dragging down these kids. But it wouldn't even matter if TM > did work to raise them up. They wont practice TM, nobody does. And the > movement couldn't care less about this fact as they launch program after > program destined to fail after scooping up a few bucks. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <jmknapp53@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone, > > > > > > > > It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me > > > > that my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal > > > > battle with DLF or TMO. > > > > > > > > I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my > > > > concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the > > > > webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert > > > > will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have > > > > not seen before. > > > > > > > > But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an > > > > emotional day for me. I have received many emails of support for which > > > > I am thankful. > > > > > > > > Talk to you soon! > > > > > > > > J. > > > > > > > > John M. Knapp, LMSW > > > > Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches & Cults > > > > KnappFamilyCounseling.com > > > > > > > > > > > > If I might make a suggestion: > > > > > > It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on > > > your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for > > > Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully > > > the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up. > > > > > > This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another. > > > > > > > The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may. > > > > However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit > > against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet > > Time > > issue so far, and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow > > anti-quiet-time > > friends have standing in teh courts either. > > > > There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this, > > BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website. > > > > L. > > >
