Are your series of "Duh's" really called for? Seems a rather rude and 
egotistical contribution.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jst...@...> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably
> > > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony
> > > > was "missing" for 8 years.
> > > 
> > > Do we take this as gospel?
> > 
> > Well, the Raja of the US for the Global Capital of Supreme
> > Consciousness said it. I would hope its "gospel". If not,
> > then JH has no credibility.
> 
> Uh, duh.
> 
> > If he blatently lied on this, what other areas areas topics
> > did he lie about?   And if one of the head rajas lied, then
> > its not a stretch that other rajas (and prime ministers) are
> > blatant liars. 
> > 
> > > Or might it have been tactical spin?
> > 
> > Could be. But that would discredit the PR wing of the TMO.
> 
> Double-duh!
> 
> > And spin is a bit inaccurate in my opinion. Spin is
> > presenting facts in an advantageous light. Lying to
> > presenting false facts.
> 
> Right. And...?
> 
> > > "Well, gee, if even John Hagelin wasn't told, I don't
> > > feel so bad that *we* weren't told."
> > 
> > Not tactically successful if the upshot is the TMO world
> > now sees JH as a clueless baffoon. Or if it confirms what
> > they have suspected.
> 
> They don't have many good choices, do they?
> 
> > But, that may be indicative of the deep wisdom and sucess
> > skills of the TMO: a tactical ploy that backfires and
> > yields a much more damaging result that the "cover-up"
> > was supposed to shelter.
> 
> I doubt it will be more damaging among the folks
> to whom it's directed.
> 
> > > I'd speculate that *all* the top-level people knew,
> > > and quite possibly a good sprinkling of lower-level
> > > folks as well.
> > 
> > Then the secrecy issues are all there.
> 
> Duh again.
> 
> > Is the TMO a group of clever, manipulative liars or merely
> > clueless baffons.
> 
> As you just pointed out, not so clever. But again,
> what choice do they have at this point?
> 
> > > > If Tony has 25 meals cooked for him, to only eat one,
> > > > wouldn't someone notice when no one was there to eat
> > > > such?
> > > 
> > > For the record, the 25 meals deal is a rumor Vaj passed
> > > on from the TM-Free blog (a hangout for very bitter TM
> > > critics), supposedly something someone heard from
> > > someone else who heard it "from the kitchens at Vlodrop."
> > 
> > OK. But if we drop this "dot", the pattern is still there
> > -- no one noticed for 8 years that the leader of the thing
> > they have devoted their lives to was missing. Not exactly 
> > competence incarnate.
> 
> If you think about it, the "no one noticed" notion
> really isn't plausible. They surely knew he wasn't
> at Vlodrop. Whether they all knew everything else
> isn't clear, but it seems awfully likely to me.
> 
> In any case, I just wanted to point out that this 
> particular dot is only a poorly sourced rumor, since
> quite a few folks here seem to be taking it as
> established fact and using it to build their cases.
> 
> > > That isn't exactly the most reliable sourcing, yet it 
> > > too appears to have been accepted as gospel here.
> > >
> > I don't accept anything as gospel. But if a number of dots
> > begin to form a close knit cluster, it begins to paint a
> > picture.
> 
> I don't really think we've got all that many dots. All
> we know is they have a potentially embarrassing situation
> that they're trying to present in the best possible light.
> 
> A lot of dots don't do you much good if most of them are
> imaginary. Imaginary dots that form a pattern we'd like
> to see can be highly misleading.
>


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