--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > I can't prove my experience to you, just as you would > not be able to prove what you would consider a "real" > experience of levitation if it had happened to you. I > get it...you don't want to believe this is true. > > There are a few websites out there where people who > studied with Rama have written about their experiences. > The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a bunch > of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a PDF version > of a book we (his students) wrote about studying with him. > One of my stories is in there, but under a different name > because they published it using pseudonyms for every- > one, for privacy reasons. > > http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf > > I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never read it.
I actually visited the site and downloaded the book. I then did a word search on "levitate" and nine references to it came up. After a cursory reading of several of the testimonials, I have concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc, and that you were both brainwashed and hypnotized. You did NOT witness actual levitation. You witnessed a delusion of levitation. Keep the experience to yourself and unless you're interested in having people think you're nuts, shut up about it. > You aren't interested in what really happened, only in > what you want to believe happened. So believe that. > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it doesn't > affect me in any way. > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content with my > personal experience. > > Unc > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe to be the irrelevant > > > > parts of your response and leave in the parts I want to address. > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the other students who > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also emphasise, for the record, > > the > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never saw anything; > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes 500 at once) saw > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it would appear to be a > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, and takes place > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical levels. If you're > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on film, I don't think > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have been. But it was > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and as a field of > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the real benefit of > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon and others > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts that it would > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, that there might have > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, in which people's > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to see a phenomenon > > > > > that might not have been present on a physical level. But > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was about to happen. > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He never said *what* > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one of the siddhis he was > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if anything, was going > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, and everyone who > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said above with what you > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air levitation." > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I conclude that you have > > NOT > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air levitation" as you first > > > > claimed. > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the possibility that it may have > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you had your doubts that > > it could have been captured on videotape. > > > > I think it would have been more properly descriptive of you to have > > written that you had witnessed what "looked like" levitation and not > > to have used the word "real" and then qualify the experience so > > extensively as you did in the follow-up posting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hundreds of times. You're just trying to > > > disbelieve it. > > > > > > > > It's not a question of me disbelieving it, Unc. It's more a > > question of me not allowing myself to "fall" for a recounting of a > > phenomenon that it turns out didn't happen as you originally > > described it. > > > > And if it happened "hundreds of times" and hundreds and thousands of > > others saw it as you did I would suggest to you that others would be > > relating their experiences of the phenomenon as you also did. > > > > And, hey, maybe they have. Could you please supply even just a few > > names of people who also witnessed it? Maybe you could supply links > > to websites of people who also witnessed it so I can read their > > accounts? > > > > > > > > > I understand. I tried to disbelieve it > > > myself. Didn't work. > > > > > > > Indeed, you then readily admitted that not only was it > > > > possible that there was "some kind of psychic siddhi going on, > > in > > > > which people's perceptions were altered to allow them to see a > > > > phenomenon that might not have been present on a physical level" > > but > > > > that not everyone in the room where this was going on actually > > > > witnessed it. > > > > > > > > So. > > > > > > > > To me, the important question is: why did you feel the > > compulsion to > > > > tell us that you DID see "real" levitation when it is obvious > > that -- > > > > even in your own words -- what you experienced was very far > > from > > > > what could remotely be described as "real"? > > > > > > Shemp, you are seriously missing the point. I'm sitting > > > in front of you. I slowly lift up off my chair and hover in > > > mid-air for a few minutes. You see this clearly. You > > > actually pinch yourself to make sure you're not dream- > > > ing. You get up and walk all the way around me, to > > > make sure there are no hidden wires or anything. > > > Then I settle back down onto the chair again. > > > > > > No one else is in the room. There are no video cameras. > > > Did you just see what you saw, or not? > > > > > > > > THAT is the reality of the situation, except that in my > > > case there were often hundreds of people in the room > > > with me, seeing the same thing. > > > > > > ...then I would suggest to you that at least one or two of those > > hundreds would have either: > > > > 1) wrote about the experience on websites...and, hey, maybe they > > did...can you supply the links? > > > > or > > > > 2) would have insisted that the phenomenon either be videotaped > > and/or scientifically studied. > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't MATTER how it was done. You saw it. And > > > now you have to live with what you saw. THAT is the > > > reality of the situation. > > > > > > YOU are the one who is looking for "proof" that what I > > > experienced was what you'd like to consider "real" > > > levitation. > > > > > > ...of COURSE I'm looking for proof. > > > > > > What's wrong with that? > > > > > > > > > > > I have no such need. I experienced what > > > I experienced. I was more than honest about relating > > > it here. > > > > > > > > Were you? > > > > At first you told us that it was "real". > > > > Then in your follow-up post you qualified it to the point where it > > was anything BUT "real". > > > > > > > > > I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince > > > you of anything. I just explained my experience. > > > > > > I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to > > > not believe it. > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't "freak me out", Unc. I just don't like it when people > > tell me one thing and then, upon questioning, I get a whole > > different story. > > > > That's one of the things that I never liked about the TMO; being > > told stuff and being expected to accept it without questioning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I *understand* that if I were able to show > > > you video, you would STILLnot believe it. > > > > > > > > Yes, you're right on that...even if it were on videotape I wouldn't > > believe it...certainly, it would make me want to see the phenomenon > > studied more...but, no, I would still not believe it. > > > > > > > > > I really *do* > > > understand. I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was > > > there seeing it happen. > > > > > > But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief. > > > It's yours. I got over mine years ago. > > > > > > But obviously you didn't or you wouldn't have written what you wrote > > in your follow-up posting. > > > > That's why I'll ask you, again, why you felt the necessity to > > declare in the first posting under discussion that you > > experienced "real" levitation. > > > > You haven't answered that question yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
