--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
<snip>
> > I think you know what point I'm trying to make
> > here, Rory.
> 
> Yes, it would seem you feel happy and content with MMY's 
> formulations and unhappy with or wounded by some of ours.

Well, not exactly.  My point was that there are
ways to talk about realization that don't involve
(what amounts to) disrespecting the experience of
the unrealized, but that are still useful to us.
MMY isn't the only one who can do it by any means.

As to usefulness, my impression is that generally
speaking, what he says is close enough to take me
where I can leap from his road map to my own
experience and not be so disoriented that I recoil
in panic, at least so far.  The leap may not be
comfortable, but it isn't intolerable.  And I've
then been able to discard that part of the road map,
at least at that level (often his maps have more
than one level).

> That is of course your prerogative, and I am indeed sorry you are 
> suffering. As I said, suffering sucks.

Aggghh.  I'm not suffering.  I suffered the first time
I encountered this kind of thing, but then I grew a
thicker skin.  Sorry I misled you by using the present
tense, but I was trying to give you a more immediate
snese of what it was like.  Now it's just annoying.

> If you truly want to emerge from the suffering, I respectfully 
> suggest you won't get much relief by asking us to change (because 
> we know by now we aren't particularly good at changing for others)

Not sure who "we" is here.  And I'm not asking *you*
to change, just for you to change your behavior.  I
can do that; is it something you've lost the ability
to do?





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