--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > <snip> > > > I think you know what point I'm trying to make > > > here, Rory. > > > > Yes, it would seem you feel happy and content with MMY's > > formulations and unhappy with or wounded by some of ours. > > Well, not exactly. My point was that there are > ways to talk about realization that don't involve > (what amounts to) disrespecting the experience of > the unrealized, but that are still useful to us. > MMY isn't the only one who can do it by any means. It would seem to me that MMY's formulations actually disrespect the experience of the so-called unrealized *more*, for he seems to be saying you are not enlightened until this, that or the other.
I actually am respecting your experience NOW in saying you are already enlightened, this that you are experiencing is actually IT, that which God is showing you and experiencing through you in this moment, and there is at most only a bit of clean-up left to do on the bodymind's habits of thinking and feeling to help it reflect that. What I am *not* respecting overmuch is your habit of calling where you are, "ignorance." This much is true; it feels (if I may stretch a point) a little like a rejection or a slap in the face of Wholeness. I am not asking you to change, though -- just pointing out how it feels from this end :-) > As to usefulness, my impression is that generally > speaking, what he says is close enough to take me > where I can leap from his road map to my own > experience and not be so disoriented that I recoil > in panic, at least so far. The leap may not be > comfortable, but it isn't intolerable. And I've > then been able to discard that part of the road map, > at least at that level (often his maps have more > than one level). > > > That is of course your prerogative, and I am indeed sorry you are > > suffering. As I said, suffering sucks. > > Aggghh. I'm not suffering. I suffered the first time > I encountered this kind of thing, but then I grew a > thicker skin. Sorry I misled you by using the present > tense, but I was trying to give you a more immediate > snese of what it was like. Now it's just annoying. OK, glad to hear it has been downgraded to "annoying" -- but the recommendation still holds :-) > > If you truly want to emerge from the suffering, I respectfully > > suggest you won't get much relief by asking us to change (because > > we know by now we aren't particularly good at changing for others) > > Not sure who "we" is here. We is the beings or elements in me :-) >And I'm not asking *you* > to change, just for you to change your behavior. I > can do that; is it something you've lost the ability > to do? Could well be, at that; I do not appear to be very good at it lately -- it's that damned contentment :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
