--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > So what do you consider a cheap shot that I have taken at > Maharishi?
While Mr. Self Realized is at it, I'd like him to produce quotes of mine that he considers "cheap shots" at Maharishi. > I can't think of anything I have said about him that I didn't > sincerely mean. My shots are carefully considered and not > cheap at all. More important -- and this is I think the thing that pushes Jimbo's attachment/aversion buttons -- is that your occasional shots at Maharishi are based on total equality and a "Prove it" attitude, the very thing he fears the most. Jim's entire approach to spirituality seems to be based on the premise that "some people are better than others." (Or, as Orwell put it in Animal Farm, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." In Jimworld, the *only* thing that a person needs to do to be revered as an enlightened being is claim to be one. People who hear such claims, in Jimworld, should auto- matically and without hesitation place the enlightenment claimant on a higher plane than themselves, treat their every word as true (or better, Truth), and hang around them waiting for them to spout sage advice, which they then accept as Truth and revere with much fawning and reverence. That, IMO, is what he expected to happen when he first landed in Fairfield Life. To his surprise, shock, and dismay (followed quickly by angry lashing out and a tirade of insults and putdowns that has not ceased in the years since), people treated him like what he was, Just Another Guy Saying Shit. Nobody (except maybe Nabby) accepted him as enlightened or self realized. Nobody revered him. Nobody treated what he wrote as any more wise or truthful than anything anyone else wrote. THAT in my opinion is what pissed Jim off the most, and has him *still* pissed off and carrying around a pimply- faced-teenager-sized grudge against those who committed the Ultimate Crime of not treating him the way he wanted to be treated. To Jim, self realization is a kind of "attainment" or "achievement" that *should be recognized as such*. In Jimworld, the *only* thing that a person has to do to be worthy of reverence and awe is claim something about his or her state of consciousness. The only appropriate response to such claims is the state of reverence and awe he was hoping for. Anything less is a "cheap shot," by lesser beings than himself. And that, if I'm not mistaken, is how he'd like Curtis and Vaj and myself to treat Maharishi. Not gonna happen. I base my view of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on several things: 1) the assumption that he was Just Another Guy, no more important or "highly evolved" than any other, 2) a person who I sat in rooms with for years and watched him do his thing (as opposed to never having met him and having watched only carefully-edited videotapes), 3) someone who never once *produced* on any of his claims, and 4) someone who was All Talk, No Walk (a lot like Jim, in other words). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. As Curtis has said, Maharishi never produced any. The best he could come up with was spurious "science" produced by True Believers who were wearing the rose-colored glasses of confirmation bias and reverence for the holy guy that Jim thinks "appropriate" for such an "advanced being." Me, I don't buy that *anyone* is "advanced" at anything until they demonstrate it for me. To date, like MMY, Jim has NOT demonstrated anything to back up his claims that he (and other claimants to the throne of enlightenmentitudeness) is "special." He seems to me to be the most ordinary of human beings, someone who at one point in his life grew tired of being a nobody and figured out that if he just made a bunch of claims to gullible people, a certain percentage of them would treat him as "special," just because he claimed to be. Same with Ravi. He, too was an absolute nobody until he suckered Rick in with some parroted spiritual bullshit and a similar claim to be self realized. I think Jim's buttons get so pushed by Vaj, Curtis and me treating Maharishi as NOT special despite his claims of being special because it brings up for him a mirror of what happened *to him* when he tried to run the same act. People, in Jim's view, just *shouldn't be allowed* to treat claims as claims, and the people making them as Just Another Person Making A Claim. Everyone should treat Maharishi as special, in exactly the same way that everyone should treat Jim as special. They're special because they say they are, and that's that. <snip> > You seem proud that you never took the time to spend time > with the guy and go on his most intensive programs. I honestly get the feeling, given the strong anti-intellectual stance he has displayed on FFL since his arrival here, that not only has Jim never met the person he wants you to revere, he never read any of his books, either. I get the feeling (from the incredible gaps in his knowledge of what Maharishi actually taught) that the *entire* extent of his "knowledge" about MMY comes from a few tapes seen on residence courses or at TM centers. I could be wrong about this (a statement that we have never and *will* never hear Jim make), but that is my impression of the guy, and the full extent of his "experience with Maharishi." > But it leads to you having a fantasy bond with your own > imagination about him. Exactly. *Whatever* Jim says about Maharishi is based on his fantasies about him, combined with (IMO) an attempt to suck up to other MMY TBs in an attempt to get them to focus on him and think of him as "special." There just ain't no there there in his relationship to the man, and never will be now that he's dead. > Your objections to my opinion about him have no basis in who > he actually was. He is just a made up abstractions based on > whatever few tapes they let sidhas see. And Jim's fantasies about what an "enlightened being" "should" be. Jim's full of "shoulds." You "should" stop treating MMY as just another human being, and not believing everything he said as if it were Truth. You "should" treat him the same way. > But I may be wrong. Trot out some "cheap shots" and I'll see > if I can justify them. And do the same for me. And you lurkers -- don't let him get away with NOT doing this. If this is Just Another Example Of A Vague Jim Putdown, with nothing to back it up, let's expose that as what it is, shall we? If he honestly believes that Curtis (or I) have made "cheap shots" at MMY on this forum, demand that 1) he repost the quotes he feels fall into that category, and 2) clarify why he considers them "cheap shots." Charlatans exist because they sucker people into treating them as "special," based on nothing more than what they say about themselves. Jim thinks this approach to those who claim higher states of consciousness is a Good Thing. I don't. I think that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. To date, Jim Flanegin has produced not only zero evidence that he is as "special" as he wants people to believe he is, he's demonstrated how non-special he really is.
