--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/13/05 2:48 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>>> John Lennon said it when he said "Woman is the nigger of the world." > >>> > >>> OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs, are exploited. > >> > >> This seems to be something you need to look into yourself if you > > have such questions. > > > > > > Being dismissive, doesn't really answer the question. When did Lennon say this? 1975? 30 years ago. Do you think its as true and relevant then as it is now? > > Absolutely it is in a world scale. The events in the "Stan's" where 25% of the female population were sold into prostitution and/or slavery are AFTER that song, since the dissolution of the old Soviet Union.
And again, what is the direct link to upscale us clubs? You can cite any number of 3rd world and east european examples and i will agree. But its like say Aeoflot is a dangerous airline (I have stories) and thus US airlines are dangerous. Its weak logic, non existant really. >If you want to critic modern society based on a 30 year old view, ok, but it does not seem so productive. 30 years ago there was much gender discrimination. I see much less today. No existent on some levels. > > > > I some ways you are correct for the US for a few items. Women are still paid less than men. Not at managerial levels (define broadly -- all jobs above "clerical and technical" in corporate world. And C&T slaraies when controlled for age, experience, seniority, etc, do not show much wage discrimination. Dirtier, physically harder jobs do pay more. And woman can have and do them. Many choose not to. That skews averages but is not an indication of wage discrimination. > > >>>> We claim to live in a country that idealizes equality--then how > > come half of congress aren't women? > > > >>> OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in dern > >>> clubs, are exploited because less than half of congress are not > >>> female. Ok I am indeed following you now! > > > >> No, it does not appear you are following me. Male dominance and > > control are key elements in the worldwide exploitation of women. > > > > And thus women in modern exotic dance clubs are exploited? I still > > don't see the link. Its a logical fallacy. Shemp uses it sometimes. > No, no, no. This is not trying to create a causal link between percentages of women in congress and exploitation in strip clubs--it's talking about the pervasiveness of inequality in a very patriarchal culture. And how does this directly link to observed, not hypothetical, exploitation in exotic dance clubs? Be specific. Then what ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
