--- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a school of thought which holds that all of life in 
> ignorance is yearning for healing, for wholeness. I meant 
> the phrase "healing power of awareness" in that sense.

I understand.  I'm just making the point that there 
are value judgments going on here, as if one person
in the equation has a sufficient point of view with 
which to judge the quality of the relationship, and
whether it reflects "Truth and Beauty," or "is
distorted."  On one level of creation, the moment 
one person sets themselves up to make that kind of
judgment about another, the relationship is already 
distorted, IMO.

>From where comes the assumption that ignorance is what
you are seeing?  Who is making that assumption?

Damn.  All this Byron Katie jive is getting to me...  :-)

> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- sparaig  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  It is the distortion of male-
> > > > female relationships that is the problem. 
> > > 
> > > Well, a lot of ordinary television distorts male-female 
> > > relationships. _The Importance of Being Earnest_ distorts them.
> > > 
> > > _Hamlet_ does not display my idea of functional, healthy, 
> > > male-female relationships.
> > > 
> > > But forget that tack. Consider this: 
> > > 
> > > Say I go into a strip club. I enjoy a dancer. I am one half of 
> > > that specific male-female relationship -- me as the male 
> > > observer, and she as the female dancer. 
> > > 
> > > I would think I'd have the power to influence that 
relationship -- 
> > > to determine whether it reflects Truth and Beauty, or is 
distorted.
> > > 
> > > If the healing power of my awareness reaches her, seems to 
> > > me that would be a good thing -- a good relationship. Like 
when 
> > > actors and musicians get energy from their audiences.
> > > 
> > > And I get energy from her, as I would from a musician or actor.
> > > 
> > > Say I'm liberal with the tips.
> > > 
> > > Is this relationship distorted?
> > 
> > If you feel that she has a *need* to be "healed," to
> > take advantage of your "healing power," the relationship
> > is definitely distorted IMO.




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