--- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Thank you, Dan and I can't speak for Ann but I'm relieved, working on it > myself, very tricky stuff.
Ohhhhh, so you think you're the arrogant one. All this time you were projecting on meeeee. Well, why didn't you say soooo? (Hint, if you think you might be arrogant don't call others "arrogant", it just feeds the monster inside.) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: danfriedman2002 <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 5:48 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for > Seraphita > > > >  > No, and yes. > > I hope this settles things for you. > > --- In [email protected], "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > Judy to the best of my memory, I have not attributed a personality > > > disorder to anyone but myself. OTOH I have said several times that I find > > > such labels useless and even harmful. I have attempted to counter reports > > > on such with what other experts say, especially as concerns curability. > > > > Is arrogance a disorder and is it curable? The answer to this is of utmost > > importance to me, for reasons only you will understand the most profoundly > > of anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: authfriend <authfriend@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:02 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, > > > for Seraphita > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd > > > > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their > > > > behavior. > > > > > > On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among > > > certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't > > > like with personality disorders as a way of putting > > > them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," > > > because those who do it don't have a clue as to > > > whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases > > > these faux mental health experts demonstrate an > > > amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual > > > personality traits as shown in their posts. > > > > > > The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and > > > vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, > > > Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of > > > themselves. > > > > > > The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with > > > compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the > > > putdown. > > > > > > I am not referring to anyone here, necessarily, but probably the best way > > > to cure those people, is by responding appropriately to them. > > > > > > > > Intuition is a huge help in recognizing people like that - if it > > > > doesn't smell right, it isn't right. Once they see it doesn't work, > > > > they may possibly seek treatment. As long as their schtick works, > > > > though, no problem-o, from their perspective. > > > > > > > > Seems like a bonafide first world problem - not something anyone just a > > > > smidge, or two, closer to natural processes, would encounter, or even > > > > think about, overruled by the growling of their stomach, to catch, or > > > > harvest a meal. However, makes for great mental fodder, while cruising > > > > the aisles of Safeway. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Xeno, sorry for attributing to you the idea of NPD's incurability. I > > > > > took it as tacit agreement when you left in that strong statement at > > > > > the beginning of the article. I was wrong to do so. Just to repeat > > > > > that I'm very encouraged by the work Dr. Behary is doing in the field > > > > > of NPD. I think both she and Dr. Siegel, whose focus is on other > > > > > disorders, use mindfulness meditation. I think they both also have a > > > > > strong neurophysiological perspective on all this which I think is > > > > > very good news. Think undeveloped mirror neurons, which I would guess > > > > > sociopaths have, and what can be done to awaken and strengthen them > > > > > via mental techniques and everyday strategies.ÃâàÃâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for so called normal people and spiritual practices and results, > > > > > I'm now mentally comparing Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Adyashanti, > > > > > three seemingly very different paths to a quite realized, IMO, state > > > > > in each case. I'll also add in Father Keating whom Rick has > > > > > interviewed. Actually listening to some of those interviews might > > > > > shed some light on what, if any, influence there is from the original > > > > > motivation onto the results. > > > > > > > > > > From my own experience and reading about others and listening to > > > > > others, I think the whole thing is a crap shoot. I'm just reading > > > > > Adya's Falling Into Grace, which is of course, a much better way of > > > > > saying that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartaxius@> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:32 AM > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting > > > > > Limits, for Seraphita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Xeno! You had me chuckling last night when I read this, thank you, > > > > > > and smiling this morning as I reply. And even Ravi has finally > > > > > > noticed how humorous you can be. See how much good a short, snappy > > > > > > reply can accomplish?! I'm just sayin...AND I really enjoy your > > > > > > longer replies too. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS Any change in your opinion about NPD not being curable? > > > > > > > > > > As the subject of NPD was brought up on FFL, I was just curious, just > > > > > as when I came across an article on sociopathy; so have been reading > > > > > something about them. The opinion that NPD is not curable is not > > > > > mine, it is found in the material I have read and copied to FFL. It > > > > > is also the opinion in these articles that sociopathy is not curable > > > > > either; these things seem to be baseline ways the brain and its > > > > > programming interprets the world and the sense of self. > > > > > > > > > > The question that interests me is can a discipline like meditation > > > > > have a significant impact on these people, and what would that impact > > > > > be? It seems to be an unconscious rule in spiritual circles, if you > > > > > do so-and-so, there will be some sort of uniform result. Maybe that > > > > > is not true. Maybe only certain people, or even just a subset of > > > > > certain people (what sociopaths call 'neuro-typical' people or > > > > > empaths), respond in the predicted way to spiritual techniques. > > > > > > > > > > As research on meditation techniques is in general not very good, > > > > > finding data on population subsets like this would seem to be out of > > > > > the question at this point in most cases. > > > > > > > > > > Mental problems aside, it would be interesting to find out if there > > > > > is a difference in result between people who learn meditation because > > > > > they want to feel better, and people who have strong desire for > > > > > enlightenment, this latter being the historical reason for doing > > > > > meditation. This does not require a scientific definition of > > > > > enlightenment, since none exists in my acquaintance, only that > > > > > certain people want whatever the word enlightenment means to them. > > > > > > > > > > "Normal people get too bothered witnessing suffering to keep seeing > > > > > it. Narcissists don't care âââ¬" they are too focused on their > > > > > own story, judging the losers in a way that makes them feel good > > > > > about themselves, etc. But sociopaths can really see the suffering > > > > > and keep going." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
