Yeah these Mr. Nice Guys with their schtick of rapport, understanding, exchanging POV's while excusing away dishonesty, hypocrisy always end up creating a toxic environment here.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:28 PM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Don't get me wrong, Obba. Curtis Is A Really Really NICE GUY. Nothing > personal towards him, at all. He happens to represent a point of view that > I consider damaging and short-sighted. I also consider him one of the > emotional retards on here. But again, nothing personal. Just stating my > opinion. > > > --- In [email protected], obbajeeba <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > I know, right? > > > > Barry as Edward Mercer, > > Curtis as Uccello, in: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCyAQaRB0iw > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCyAQaRB0iw> > > > > > > Welcome, Curtis blues man! Hope all is playing well. Peace. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > Its...its SYNESTHESIA, Dude! (though I could've SWORN Barry told Share > > to "SHUT THE FUCK UP!", this morning, didn't he??). Hmm. Must've been > > the synesthesia, again... > > > > > > I am sure glad we have The Wisdom Of Science weighing in for us, in > > all its pristine, and objective, glory!! And what better person to > > deliver this pristine and objective message, than Curtis!!?? > > > > > > Mock humility and earnestness-ness-ness, at its finest. With Acolyte > > Barry at his side, the truth will flow forth, freely, and fluidly, from > > now on!! > > > > > > Yes, Ravi, these are glorious times!! All Hail Curtis and his black > > tongue! Deep Bow, while I vomit forth my reverence. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Ah the incredible, intoxicating blend of Rory and Curtis's wisdom > > and > > > > brilliance. > > > > > > > > It's all about the rapport - you hear you FFL bitches, it's all > > about > > > > rapport, it's all about the feel good factor - come on let's start > > this > > > > from today - Barry, Share, Ravi, Mean girls - you listening? > > > > > > > > To hell with truth - welcome dishonesty, hypocrisy, all kinds of > > > > mood-making masking religious delusional beliefs, fuck authenticity, > > > > genuineness. > > > > > > > > Dawn of a new era on FFL? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Curtis! Long time! > > > > > > > > > > I have been refraining from reading FFL to rest, recuperate, and > > > > > assimilate, but a friend gave me a heads-up that you had > > "uncloaked" with a > > > > > message that he felt I should read, and a link to it, I just read > > it and > > > > > must say I greatly appreciate your clarification -- and no apology > > needed, > > > > > my friend. Thank you so much. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, to me, rapport is what it's all about, if at all possible. > > But I have > > > > > perhaps gotten rather soft from being here in Fairfield, where > > love is > > > > > tangibly everywhere. Well, that and not enough exercise, of > > course. > > > > > > > > > > See you around sometime, I hope! All glory to Guru You! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > *L*L*L* > > > > > > > > > > R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rory: > > > > > > Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter > > > > > > > > > certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. > > > > > > > > > > > > From another post: > > > > > > ...Now it appears you may somewhat agree with > > > > > > > Curtis, who saw me as a Neurolinguistic-programming, > > form-running > > > > > > > charlatan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me: > > > > > > I wanted to drop in to comment on the idea that I think of Rory > > as a > > > > > phony or a charlatan. I do not. My view of people who have the > > kind of > > > > > experiences that Rory has shared is more nuanced than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > My current perspective involves how our brains communicate > > within > > > > > itself, and how some wires get crossed (think synesthesia between > > senses as > > > > > an example, hearing colors). My current belief is that this can > > result in > > > > > experiencing subjective experiences as if they are as as > > compelling as our > > > > > external reality. I am not making a case for this being a defect, > > because > > > > > it can be a source for profound creativity. So let's take Rory as > > charlatan > > > > > off my table. I believe he is sincere from the limited contact I > > have had > > > > > with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, just as with Maharishi, that doesn't mean that I hold his > > > > > epistemological conclusions as valid. I do not. My question is > > about how we > > > > > deal with this kind of subjective knowledge. I am skeptical that > > it > > > > > provides an insight into "reality" that bypasses any of our other > > methods > > > > > of verification of ideas which may or may not include the methods > > of > > > > > science. I rate all our subjective experiences the same as any > > other > > > > > hypothesis that needs further study taking into account the human > > tendency > > > > > to conflate our enthusiasm for an idea for the likelihood that it > > is true. > > > > > We all suck at this as a natural tendency, myself included. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the language form used, my point concerned the use of > > language > > > > > that is coming from a trance state and is meant to shift the state > > of the > > > > > listener from sensory based to internal connections based. This is > > how > > > > > poetry and hypnosis works. I consider my ability to ride this wave > > and to > > > > > generate these waves of language myself to be at the center of my > > creative > > > > > ability with language, so it is not a negative on its face. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems I see comes when we confuse this kind of language > > with the > > > > > style we use to convey concrete meaning. That causes problems when > > the > > > > > person using this language form claims to be telling us about how > > reality > > > > > really is. (I'm looking at you immolated Maharishi.) This type of > > language > > > > > was described by Grinder and Bandler the founders of NLP when they > > did > > > > > their modeling of the hypnotherapist Milton Erickson and their > > perspective > > > > > has influenced my own about how this language form works. The rest > > comes > > > > > from my own experiences teaching TM and then doing NLP therapy for > > people > > > > > after leaving TM as well as an analysis of my own creative > > songwriting > > > > > process. > > > > > > > > > > > > So what is the difference between when Bob Dylan does this and > > when a > > > > > "spiritual" teacher does it? When you ask Bob Dylan what it > > "means" he > > > > > says, I don't know, that is up to you. Figurative language is a > > launching > > > > > pad for internal abstract thought. When you ask a spiritual master > > what he > > > > > "means" he might tell you that when you are in his state of > > consciousness > > > > > you will fully understand. I reject the many imbedded premises in > > this > > > > > statement. Would Rory answer this way? I don't know, I forget most > > of what > > > > > I read from him when we were interacting here. My view of > > spiritual > > > > > experiences is an evolving one as I gather more data on how our > > brains > > > > > function. > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of what I remember about Rory is that he uses a style of > > reframing > > > > > language as a type of verbal jiu jitsu. By this I mean when people > > attack > > > > > him he refers to them as a part of himself attacking himself. > > Although I > > > > > don't doubt this emerges from his internal experiences, it is also > > embedded > > > > > in a philosophy and web of beliefs about the world that I do not > > share. I > > > > > think it is a really good linguistic coping strategy for the > > projectile > > > > > attacks that this place is full of. It works on many different > > levels for > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > So why the drive by today? Because I like Rory and don't want to > > let an > > > > > impression remain that I think of him in such a negative way. If > > he > > > > > expressed it all as art rather than philosophy I would just > > appreciate him > > > > > as I do the rest of my wacky artistic buddies. He is a really > > creative guy > > > > > and I value that. But when it is expressed as philosophy I like to > > show > > > > > where I am drawing my lines to distinguish my beliefs from his or > > anyone > > > > > else who expresses a "spiritual" POV. I don't share the confidence > > > > > "spiritual" people do in their assumptions or conclusions and > > enjoy > > > > > expressing my evolving POV. (Or at least I used to here.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Another big plus in my mind about Rory is that he values rapport > > here as > > > > > I do. I remember our interactions very positively. He came off as > > willing > > > > > to interact with someone skeptical about his conclusions about his > > own > > > > > experiences. Maharishi certainly was never open to that kind of > > dialogue > > > > > and interaction. > > > > > > > > > > > > So "respect" Rory. You are interpreting your experiences in life > > just as > > > > > I do. I may not share your conclusions, nor you mine. The fact > > that we > > > > > looked beyond that to have some interesting discussions here makes > > you a > > > > > bro in my book. If I came off as harsh toward you in the past, I > > apologize. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "RoryGoff" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "RoryGoff" wrote: > > > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > > > > Ha! You crack me up, Ravi. I love how you -- and > > apparently > > > > > > > > > Judy, and Curtis, of course -- can tell with such utter > > > > > > > > > certainty that my entire spiritual life has been phony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never suggested that, Rory, nor did I say I could > > > > > > > > tell anything about you with anything like "utter > > > > > > > > certainty." I really don't appreciate your claiming > > > > > > > > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said "apparently" in your case, Judy, as it did appear that > > way to > > > > > me. You may have meant it differently, of course, but "phony as a > > > > > three-dollar bill" sounded pretty certain to me. I didn't register > > your > > > > > saying anything like, "Well, I don't know for sure, of course, but > > at the > > > > > moment it appears to me that ..." etc. Again, I am only "claiming" > > how it > > > > > appeared to me. If you meant otherwise, I am sorry, and thank you > > for > > > > > clarifying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
