--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> wrote: > > "From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he > doesn't deserve to be abused." > > Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? > > Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and > harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are > such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, > psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am > known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet > and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma > and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I > am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to > challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs > delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and > uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this > case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the > rude, harsh way. > > The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman > named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - > I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure > and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to > obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a > man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I > give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I > attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen > me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks > people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I > deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them > as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's > delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. > > So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come > tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I > will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously > gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going > to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged.
Ravi, I admire you in many ways. You are a kind of warrior. I see some of myself in you. I fight against and abhor many of the same things you do. I recognize many of the same negatives that surround me as manifested by others. I go about dealing with these things in my own way but respect how each one of the people who I admire at FFL do so in their own manner. I was not thinking of you specifically when I spoke of any abuse of Rory; it was a general statement in response to what Jim wrote and based on some personal correspondence with Rory. I don't think Rory was abused by anybody. He is a big boy and can say and do whatever he needs to look after himself. So no, I'll let you know directly if I think you're out of line or abusive. So far, so good. Personally, I don't want to mess with you so I'll do my damnedest to keep that formidable warrior part of yourself fighting with me, not against me. Deal? > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann <awoelflebater@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > The party continues...and parties need music... > > > > > > Bringing you da freshest! > > > > > > This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if I > > may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks. > > > > > > Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) > > > > > > https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot > > > > > > copyright Temple Dog 2013 > > > > Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From the little > > I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to > > be abused. Now I'll listen to your song, and thank you. > > > > > > > > > >
