Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you.
And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my energetic process "bullcrap" and opining that I am as "phony as a three-dollar bill" is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that mistake in a hurry again. Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the fulfillment that life has to offer. Just without me, for the time being. *L*L*L* R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> wrote: > > "From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he > doesn't deserve to be abused." > > Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? > > Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and > harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs are > such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, > psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am > known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a sweet > and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma > and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I > am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to > challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs > delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and > uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In this > case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the > rude, harsh way. > > The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish gentleman > named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 - > I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure > and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used to > obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a > man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I > give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I > attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen > me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks > people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I > deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support them > as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's > delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. > > So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come > tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a philosophy I > will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously > gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not going > to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann <awoelflebater@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > The party continues...and parties need music... > > > > > > Bringing you da freshest! > > > > > > This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if I > > may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks. > > > > > > Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) > > > > > > https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot > > > > > > copyright Temple Dog 2013 > > > > Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From the little > > I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't deserve to > > be abused. Now I'll listen to your song, and thank you. > > > > > > > > > >
