Thank you dear Ann - you titillated my narcissistic cells with your good words there :-). I admire your authenticity, courage and wittiness as well.
Yes - that's what I was wondering, if Ann thought I was being abusive why she didn't ask me directly? Good to know that - yes I would expect you, being the person who you are, to question me directly. Your remark confused me and I'm glad that it doesn't refer to any conversation here on FFL because I hadn't seen it i.e anyone abusing Rory - at least not during my time here. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Ann <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> > wrote: > > > > "From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he > > doesn't deserve to be abused." > > > > Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? > > > > Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and > > harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs > are > > such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, > > psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I am > > known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a > sweet > > and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around Amma > > and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course I > > am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to > > challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs > > delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and > > uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In > this > > case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose the > > rude, harsh way. > > > > The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish > gentleman > > named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in 2009 > - > > I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure > > and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and used > to > > obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of a > > man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and I > > give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him I > > attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has seen > > me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks > > people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I > > deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support > them > > as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's > > delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. > > > > So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come > > tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a > philosophy I > > will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously > > gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not > going > > to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. > > Ravi, I admire you in many ways. You are a kind of warrior. I see some of > myself in you. I fight against and abhor many of the same things you do. I > recognize many of the same negatives that surround me as manifested by > others. I go about dealing with these things in my own way but respect how > each one of the people who I admire at FFL do so in their own manner. > > I was not thinking of you specifically when I spoke of any abuse of Rory; > it was a general statement in response to what Jim wrote and based on some > personal correspondence with Rory. I don't think Rory was abused by > anybody. He is a big boy and can say and do whatever he needs to look after > himself. > > So no, I'll let you know directly if I think you're out of line or > abusive. So far, so good. Personally, I don't want to mess with you so I'll > do my damnedest to keep that formidable warrior part of yourself fighting > with me, not against me. Deal? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann <awoelflebater@...> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The party continues...and parties need music... > > > > > > > > Bringing you da freshest! > > > > > > > > This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if I > > > may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks. > > > > > > > > Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) > > > > > > > > https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot > > > > > > > > copyright Temple Dog 2013 > > > > > > Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From the > little > > > I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't > deserve to > > > be abused. Now I'll listen to your song, and thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
