--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > on 11/12/05 10:56 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> on 11/12/05 9:33 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> To think that the primary technique of TM would EVER take > > a > > > > back > > > > > > seat > > > > > >>> to Haglin's pseudo-scientific Siddhi's program is amazing > > to > > > > me. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Why are you attributing ownership or authorship of the > Sidhi > > > > > > program to > > > > > >> Hagelin? Hagelin wasn't a major player in the movement when > > > > > > Maharishi came > > > > > >> out with the sidhi program. Sounds to me like you're > trying > > to > > > > > > shift blame > > > > > >> away from Maharishi. Common mistake. He calls the shots > and > > > > always > > > > > > has. Deal > > > > > >> with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm implying that MMY has swallowed Hagelin's research > > > > as 'proof'! I > > > > > > think the jury is still out as to the relative numbers > > required > > > > to > > > > > > create such an effect. I realize that it was at the > > suggestion > > > > > > of 'another' yogi (apparently) that MMY came out with this > > > > totally > > > > > > premature yogic flying, etc. MMY really thinks you only > need > > the > > > > > > square root of 1% of the population (yada, yada) to shift > > > trends > > > > in > > > > > > the world...BASED ON HAGELIN'S RESEARCH! Who's the Yogi and > > > > who's the > > > > > > chela now??? Hummm, think about it, it explains everything! > > > > > > > > > > The way I heard the story, it was the Shankaracharya, or the > > guy > > > > MMY was > > > > > propping up as the Shankaracharya (I can't begin to keep the > > > > details of that > > > > > whole mess straight) who suggested to MMY, during a quick > trip > > to > > > > India > > > > > during the Fiuggi course, that he offer something more to the > > > > Westerners. So > > > > > Maharishi pulled out a copy of the Yoga Sutras and began > > > > experimenting on > > > > > half a dozen of the M-group types around him (I got this > > account > > > > from one of > > > > > them). The sidhis didn't come out until 1977. The 1% effect > > came > > > > out when > > > > > Domash was reigning physicist in 1974. There was a campaign > in > > > the > > > > UK in > > > > > which one of the slogans was "you can be one of the 99 if you > > can > > > > get one of > > > > > your friends to be the one." Square root of 1% came out soon > > > after > > > > the > > > > > sidhis, and Domash or Hagelin was physicist at that point. It > > was > > > > still > > > > > Domash until about 1980. Anyway, I think the theory preceded > > the > > > > research. > > > > > In other words, the theory of 1% or square root of 1% was > > bandied > > > > about > > > > > before any societal testing was done. And Maharishi spent > > > > countless hours > > > > > discussing this and lecturing about it. It's not like it was > > > > foisted on him > > > > > by cunning physicists. As always, he was calling the shots. > He > > > was > > > > tickled > > > > > pink to get a theory that would absolve him from having to > get > > > 10% > > > > of the > > > > > world's population meditating, or even 1%. Anyway, I don't > > think > > > > this > > > > > particular point has much to do with the failure of the > > movement. > > > > Although > > > > > the advent of the sidhis sure scared off a lot of respectable > > > > folks who were > > > > > beginning to take it seriously. > > > > > > > > A group of Norwegian TM-Teachers, including me, did learn the > TM- > > > > Sidhi-Techniques in 1978 directly from MMY, for free. MMY gave > > us > > > > the techniques and explained how they worked. Nandkishore was > > > > sometimes with him. Once we asked a question to Nandkishore: If > > we > > > > do not have time to do the whole program, what should we give > > > > priority". His answer was: "The Asanas and the Pranayama". I > did > > > not > > > > understand why he did not say "The TM-Sidhi-Techniques". Every > > > month > > > > we did send our experiences with the TM-Sidhi-Program to MMY, > > not > > > > always telling the truth. It was some kind of Mass-Hypnosis - > > > always > > > > waiting to fly in the air. But we did not pay for the courses - > > so > > > > maybe we were among the students that MMY tried out the program > > > > with. > > > > Ingegerd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Huh, I would think it would be TM first, not asanas, since that > is > > > what people were taught prior to the sidhis.. > > > > > What you think is one thing - what Nandkishore said is another > > thing. I was wondering myself why he did not mention TM and TM- > Sidhi- > > technique. > > Ingegerd > > > > Perhaps because he thought you meant what priorty to give to the > program other than TM? At that point, perhaps he and MMY weren't sure > how effective the TM-Sidhis would be while asanas and pranayama were > definitely worth doing as a priority. Of course "priority" can mean > what you do first, not what is most important...
The question was quite clear, including the whole program with TM and everything. It will only be speculations about what he meant. But the answer was that if we did not have time for the whole program, at least do Asanas and Pranayama. Maybe Nandkishore belongs to another Indian Tradition where Asanas and Pranayama is the most important?? Maybe other things. The first thing - I skipped when I was short of time was Asanas and Pranayama - and gave the priority to TM and TM-Sidhi. My experience is that the effect of TM is stronger when I do Asanas and Pranayama. Ingegerd > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
