He's not happy about it because in his heart, he identifies with Marshy and the 
"legit" TMO - after all they are the ones who started it all, and any 
intimation that their crap is crap makes him feel his life's focus is not 
kosher and he like all those who revere cults and their leaders can't take the 
self image bruising that looking objectively at things requires.



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 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :


Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the 
whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws.


Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't 
like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but 
don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. 

And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that 
drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! 
All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and 
they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in 
Vlodrop. So they bailed. 

They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he 
was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was 
more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way 
things went after Scorpionland and the "rajas" maybe they are on the smart side 
of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the 
hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. 

I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I 
don't think he is. Go figure.


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 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :


Yea But, the really interesting thing
here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue
to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark
assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  That is interesting.  40,000 TM 
teachers out there in the world
trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher
re-certs.  The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals
continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this
particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and
withstands the new TM legal department together.  The Maharishi
Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm 
on
retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching
outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came
post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign
papers again restricting their teaching.  Apparently the group of UK
TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck
together.  Damned scorpions.

That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.

Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to
call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh?

Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 
life. 

I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of
it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the 
faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting 
the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs 
viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information 
like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise 
something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years 
before.

Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex-TMO. 

Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this?


-Buck

steve.sundur wrote :


Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to
nuance.

You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.

mjackson74@...> wrote :


Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on
this he is in a position to know.


Sal writing:

It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 

The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 

I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 

Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is 
the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.


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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov.
30



 
Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the 
split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in 
England have this.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :


the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England



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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30



 
Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if 
they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in 
the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers
of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And
look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction 
that the TM movement will at some point split. *Already there are many teachers 
in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* 

I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward
Lemmings!

Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the 
Movement.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :


An organizer asked me to post this.
 
www.30thNovember.com 
 
Be curious. Be practical. Be
yourself.
 
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
"assessing its content" (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 
 
Ask yourself
on November 30th:
 
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If 
not, then don't. 
That should always be the test. On the individual level. 
 
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