From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. ________________________________ From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago? Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely identical ex-TMO. Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this? -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@...> wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. ________________________________ From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England ________________________________ From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on "assessing its content" (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com
