On 10/15/2014 7:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
This is outrageous!
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/Addressing the important issues!/
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Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are
teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity,
discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford?
Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do
science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge
about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist
just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest
groups no matter how reliant you are on it.
This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses
and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane
world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined
to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only
way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that
Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously.
Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were "certified" by
the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can
use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own
ideas or debunk. If King Tony and "raja" Hagelin have any scientific
curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and
send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from.
What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are
contrary to the accepted "right" way of thinking? If you aren't
careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all
the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark
already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but
I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this
is a good idea because it quite simply isn't.
Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at
paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment.
I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face.
" Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney
said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an
honorary doctorate by him, and had become "an acclaimed teacher of
yoga" by age 20.
Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons
Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011
against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach
Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website.
The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning
transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/
Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old
UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the
strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but
there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were
trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting.
40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh
Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal
department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they
were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of
UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal
department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City)
now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA
as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher
re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the
end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting
their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist
extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions.
-Buck
steve.sundur wrote :
Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your
sensitivity to nuance.
You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.
mjackson74@...> wrote :
Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I
will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know.
Sal writing:
It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who
quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business.
They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they
teach the TMSP too.
The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there
isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy.
I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I
musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about
the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if
it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course
not.
Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it
which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half
to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.
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*From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires
that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if
the initiators in England have this.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in
England
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*From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change,
always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is
always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly
after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen
different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There
seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the
dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150
years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu
flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement
will at some point split.*Already there are many teachers in various
countries teaching outside the movement purview.*
I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to
think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those
in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward
Lemmings!
Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will
break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the
edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress,
eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and
weaken the Movement.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :
An organizer asked me to post this.
www.30thNovember.com <http://www.30thnovember.com/>
Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.
One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be
focused on "assessing its content" (i.e., whoever the source may be is
far less relevant).
Ask yourself on November 30th:
1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life?
2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and
use it. If not, then don't.
That should always be the test. On the individual level.
For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch
the recording afterwards:
www.30thNovember.com <http://www.30thnovember.com/>
