"Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were 
true, how much space would you allow him to vent his frustrations and give him 
the opportunity to grow?
 

 What you seem to forget is that the Turq has been doing his negative routine 
here for many years without showing any sign of growth. Quite the contrary, his 
attacts on fellow posters have become more intense after Judy left, and even 
more so after his traits were tracked back to his crazy guru by -fleetwood.
 He is showing all the signs of an old, bitter non-meditating man, unflexible 
and angry.
 

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