Bhairitu,
From what I understand, most terminal patients are heavily drugged
by hospitals and hospices that they don't feel any pain. They
eventually die by the disease itself or related causes.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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I recall Charlie Lutes take on the subject that though suicide is
frowned on in the yogic traditions he could see doing when facing
prolonged agony like from a slow death by cancer. In the eastern
traditions including Buddhism they believe that if you commit
suicide you get stuck in some "middle world".
The published suicide mantra is of the maran class and is also an
Agni mantra.
On 11/06/2014 04:27 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...
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John and turq, what got me rethinking all this is that idea of
life full of possibilities to enjoy. Is it healthy to give up on
that? Is it honoring, turq of life itself to give up on the
possibility of joy and love? And turq, is not suicide also often
driven by FEAR? Since you're using presence of fear as a
measuring stick.
At this moment I'm thinking that what's healthiest is to act
from a place of embodied settledness rather than fear. And we
can't really predict what action might thus result. And can we
really legislate about people's states of being?!
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In other words, it's a Big Invisible Daddy In The Sky thang,
Share. If you do something He don't like, He slap yo ass. :-)
JohnR's position on all of this is just a retread of that same
old familiar F E A R that has driven religious thought for
centuries: "'Morality' consists of doing what *we* say to do
during your life so that Bad Things don't happen to you after
your death."
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Share,
Taking one's own life is similar to killing another person. In
both cases, a life, that is full of possibilities to perform
good and to enjoy life, has been taken away and denied. The act
of killing oneself or another person is against Nature's
functioning, which is to create life and to promote joy in
existence.
The violation of natural law will have consequences or bad karma
in yourself, the family or the environment. The following adage
would apply: you reap what you sow.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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<mailto:sharelong60@...> wrote :
John, I don't see how the principle of ends not justifying means
fits in this situation. The person is taking their own life,
probably to avoid unnecessary suffering. What is morally wrong
about that, in your view?
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Share,
The correct answer is that one should follow one's conscience to
the best of his or her ability. But one should follow the
principle that the end does not justify the means. IMO, ending
one's own life through suicide is not following the principle above.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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<mailto:sharelong60@...> wrote :
John, I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of
natural law. What makes you think that?
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Share,
I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering. My mother also had
a very painful and difficult death. It is not easy to follow a
moral act and, as humans, we should be able to make such
choices. But one has to be mindful of performing acts that do
not violate natural laws.
If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take
effect and could detrimentally affect our families and society
that allow violence or suicide to occur.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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<mailto:sharelong60@...> wrote :
John,when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my
step Dad's life, and more than once he expressed the wish to be
dead, I think suicide is sometimes the right thing to do. I
think unnecessary suffering is morally wrong.
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Bhairitu,
You've raised a good question. But it is considered a higher
principle that the end does not justify the means. In other
words, one must act licitly to make a moral act. You cannot
kill another person or group of persons in order to obtain
political power--which we can see the evil effects that are
happening in Iraq and Syria. Similarly, the same principle
applies to taking one's own life.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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<mailto:noozguru@...> wrote :
If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you
really want to see it through to the end as your mind, vision,
hearing went away?
On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@...
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A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in
Oregon. Is this justifiable in your own thinking?
Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
<http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html>
