Yeah, I have been aware of this also, that if suicide is done, the
person must wait out their karma. It is not a moral issue, but one of
complicating one's life, by destroying the physical vessel. The
lesson learned is that we cannot ever be destroyed, and if a suicide,
the lesson is learned, while imprisoned.
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I recall Charlie Lutes take on the subject that though suicide is
frowned on in the yogic traditions he could see doing when facing
prolonged agony like from a slow death by cancer. In the eastern
traditions including Buddhism they believe that if you commit suicide
you get stuck in some "middle world".
The published suicide mantra is of the maran class and is also an
Agni mantra.
On 11/06/2014 04:27 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...
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John and turq, what got me rethinking all this is that idea of
life full of possibilities to enjoy. Is it healthy to give up on
that? Is it honoring, turq of life itself to give up on the
possibility of joy and love? And turq, is not suicide also often
driven by FEAR? Since you're using presence of fear as a
measuring stick.
At this moment I'm thinking that what's healthiest is to act from
a place of embodied settledness rather than fear. And we can't
really predict what action might thus result. And can we really
legislate about people's states of being?!
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In other words, it's a Big Invisible Daddy In The Sky thang,
Share. If you do something He don't like, He slap yo ass. :-)
JohnR's position on all of this is just a retread of that same
old familiar F E A R that has driven religious thought for
centuries: "'Morality' consists of doing what *we* say to do
during your life so that Bad Things don't happen to you after
your death."
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Share,
Taking one's own life is similar to killing another person. In
both cases, a life, that is full of possibilities to perform good
and to enjoy life, has been taken away and denied. The act of
killing oneself or another person is against Nature's
functioning, which is to create life and to promote joy in existence.
The violation of natural law will have consequences or bad karma
in yourself, the family or the environment. The following adage
would apply: you reap what you sow.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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John, I don't see how the principle of ends not justifying means
fits in this situation. The person is taking their own life,
probably to avoid unnecessary suffering. What is morally wrong
about that, in your view?
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Share,
The correct answer is that one should follow one's conscience to
the best of his or her ability. But one should follow the
principle that the end does not justify the means. IMO, ending
one's own life through suicide is not following the principle above.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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John, I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of natural
law. What makes you think that?
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Share,
I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering. My mother also had
a very painful and difficult death. It is not easy to follow a
moral act and, as humans, we should be able to make such choices.
But one has to be mindful of performing acts that do not violate
natural laws.
If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect
and could detrimentally affect our families and society that
allow violence or suicide to occur.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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<mailto:sharelong60@...> wrote :
John,when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my
step Dad's life, and more than once he expressed the wish to be
dead, I think suicide is sometimes the right thing to do. I think
unnecessary suffering is morally wrong.
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Bhairitu,
You've raised a good question. But it is considered a higher
principle that the end does not justify the means. In other
words, one must act licitly to make a moral act. You cannot kill
another person or group of persons in order to obtain political
power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening in
Iraq and Syria. Similarly, the same principle applies to taking
one's own life.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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<mailto:noozguru@...> wrote :
If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really
want to see it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing
went away?
On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@...
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A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in
Oregon. Is this justifiable in your own thinking?
Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
<http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html>
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A senior Vatican official has condemned as "wicked" the assisted
suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American woman suffering from
terminal brain cancer. &...
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