Makes sense. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
It also makes it easier to commit suicide the next time around. Before you know it, you're in a cycle of suicide at the drop of a hat. It's an impression that will come back to haunt you life after life.. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? I recall Charlie Lutes take on the subject that though suicide is frowned on in the yogic traditions he could see doing when facing prolonged agony like from a slow death by cancer. In the eastern traditions including Buddhism they believe that if you commit suicide you get stuck in some "middle world". The published suicide mantra is of the maran class and is also an Agni mantra. On 11/06/2014 04:27 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: John and turq, what got me rethinking all this is that idea of life full of possibilities to enjoy. Is it healthy to give up on that? Is it honoring, turq of life itself to give up on the possibility of joy and love? And turq, is not suicide also often driven by FEAR? Since you're using presence of fear as a measuring stick. At this moment I'm thinking that what's healthiest is to act from a place of embodied settledness rather than fear. And we can't really predict what action might thus result. And can we really legislate about people's states of being?! From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? In other words, it's a Big Invisible Daddy In The Sky thang, Share. If you do something He don't like, He slap yo ass. :-) JohnR's position on all of this is just a retread of that same old familiar F E A R that has driven religious thought for centuries: "'Morality' consists of doing what *we* say to do during your life so that Bad Things don't happen to you after your death." From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? Share, Taking one's own life is similar to killing another person. In both cases, a life, that is full of possibilities to perform good and to enjoy life, has been taken away and denied. The act of killing oneself or another person is against Nature's functioning, which is to create life and to promote joy in existence. The violation of natural law will have consequences or bad karma in yourself, the family or the environment. The following adage would apply: you reap what you sow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : John, I don't see how the principle of ends not justifying means fits in this situation. The person is taking their own life, probably to avoid unnecessary suffering. What is morally wrong about that, in your view? From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? Share, The correct answer is that one should follow one's conscience to the best of his or her ability. But one should follow the principle that the end does not justify the means. IMO, ending one's own life through suicide is not following the principle above. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : John, I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of natural law. What makes you think that? From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? Share, I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering. My mother also had a very painful and difficult death. It is not easy to follow a moral act and, as humans, we should be able to make such choices. But one has to be mindful of performing acts that do not violate natural laws. If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect and could detrimentally affect our families and society that allow violence or suicide to occur. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : John,when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step Dad's life, and more than once he expressed the wish to be dead, I think suicide is sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary suffering is morally wrong. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? Bhairitu, You've raised a good question. But it is considered a higher principle that the end does not justify the means. In other words, one must act licitly to make a moral act. You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening in Iraq and Syria. Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote : If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want to see it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away? On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon. Is this justifiable in your own thinking? Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked' Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... A senior Vatican official has condemned as "wicked" the assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. &... 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