On 11/14/2014 4:34 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
Not so sure about that. According to the Turq himself he was involved
because it presented plenty of opportunities to pick up broads.
Doesn't sound as if he was into meditation much.
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/The question is, did he enjoy? There must be a better way to pick up
broads than to go on a monk retreat. He said they wouldn't even let him
buy an ice cream cone. He seems to be better suited to a householder
life in Amsterdam./
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---In [email protected], <anartaxius@...> wrote :
Turq did practise TM for a number of years. If what you say is true,
TM was a total failure. This seems to be a problem with spiritual
techniques in general, that most of the time they fail, if we go by
our view of the persons practising them, and even according what these
persons they say to us about their experiences. Success is rare.
---In [email protected], <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :
Yes, preliminary. The thing about experiences, even intermittent
witnessing, is that some people collect these experiences, while
remaining unchanged, themselves. Driven by egoic fear. It is like
being a tourist of higher-consciousness experiences. I did listen to a
bit of the Sat Shree interview and he says a veil, separating him from
the rest of the universe, was torn open, with no possibility of being
repaired. To live Being, silence, and bliss, is a far different thing,
than collecting, "I saw this", and, "this happened once", and, "for
awhile, this other thing happened". Enlightenment is not an aggregate,
a museum, or even, a mausoleum, of experiences - that's how religions
get born, in the graveyards of memories, of higher consciousness.
Experiences, as seen in the mind, continually shrink - very
unsatisfying, whereas enlightenment constantly, effortlessly taps that
font of creativity and expansion [pure awareness], renewing itself, so
the mind, when it does act, has no need to rely on stale and shrinking
memories - it can go anywhere it chooses, or just rest empty, in pure
awareness. Once everything is available, there is no longer a need to
collect experiences of any variety, no matter how tantalizing their
memory may be.
---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
The Turq hasn't had any spiritual experiences in his whole life.
Forty-five years ago he experienced a few days of witnessing in
Fiuggji, but that's only a preliminary experience. Yet he likes
to brag about it even today, decades later. Later he had some
hallucinations about his Buddhist-guru, the Lenz-guy who killed
himself while wearing a dog-collar around his neck, levitating. And
that's it. The fact is that the Turq-fellow never had any spiritual
experiences at all.
Yet he judge others, what a phony.
