On 11/14/2014 8:12 PM, steve.sundur wrote:
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Pure fiction on your part, Barry. This is an invented narrative that
unfortunately you use to demean people.
You harp on this, missing the fact, that most, if not everyone else
here, also allow whatever experiences they might have to come and go
without much ado.
People should be given leeway to discuss experiences without the
politically correct policeman to sanction them for feeling that their
experiences may indicate some progress on the spiritual path.
>
/Old Uncle Tantra doesn't even miss the sex magic when it goes away. Go
figure./
>
---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
What I think he's freaking out about is that when they fade, I don't
miss them. That fucks with his mind, since he's spent his entire life
chasing something I don't even miss when it goes away. :-)
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*From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 8:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Intelligent Biology (was Re:
Non-biological Intelligence)
Turq did practise TM for a number of years. If what you say is true,
TM was a total failure. This seems to be a problem with spiritual
techniques in general, that most of the time they fail, if we go by
our view of the persons practising them, and even according what these
persons they say to us about their experiences. Success is rare.
---In [email protected], <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :
Yes, preliminary. The thing about experiences, even intermittent
witnessing, is that some people collect these experiences, while
remaining unchanged, themselves. Driven by egoic fear. It is like
being a tourist of higher-consciousness experiences. I did listen to a
bit of the Sat Shree interview and he says a veil, separating him from
the rest of the universe, was torn open, with no possibility of being
repaired. To live Being, silence, and bliss, is a far different thing,
than collecting, "I saw this", and, "this happened once", and, "for
awhile, this other thing happened". Enlightenment is not an aggregate,
a museum, or even, a mausoleum, of experiences - that's how religions
get born, in the graveyards of memories, of higher consciousness.
Experiences, as seen in the mind, continually shrink - very
unsatisfying, whereas enlightenment constantly, effortlessly taps that
font of creativity and expansion [pure awareness], renewing itself, so
the mind, when it does act, has no need to rely on stale and shrinking
memories - it can go anywhere it chooses, or just rest empty, in pure
awareness. Once everything is available, there is no longer a need to
collect experiences of any variety, no matter how tantalizing their
memory may be.
---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
The Turq hasn't had any spiritual experiences in his whole life.
Forty-five years ago he experienced a few days of witnessing in
Fiuggji, but that's only a preliminary experience. Yet he likes
to brag about it even today, decades later. Later he had some
hallucinations about his Buddhist-guru, the Lenz-guy who killed
himself while wearing a dog-collar around his neck, levitating. And
that's it. The fact is that the Turq-fellow never had any spiritual
experiences at all.
Yet he judge others, what a phony.
