You mean a phoney like a guy who blabbers about how great TM is, even though he 
can't become an authentic recertified TM teacher since he years ago declared 
his belief in UFOs, is a follower of Benjy Creme and other stuff the Movement 
frowns on and ducks his head and hems and haws when someone asks how come he 
isn't teaching TM??? A phony like that?

 From: nablusoss1008 <>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Intelligent Biology (was Re: 
Non-biological Intelligence)

The Turq hasn't had any spiritual experiences in his whole life. Forty-five 
years ago he experienced a few days of witnessing in Fiuggji, but that's only a 
preliminary experience. Yet he likes to brag about it even today, decades 
later. Later he had some hallucinations about his Buddhist-guru, the Lenz-guy 
who killed himself while wearing a dog-collar around his neck, levitating. And 
that's it. The fact is that the Turq-fellow never had any spiritual experiences 
at all. 
Yet he judge others, what a phony.

---In, <punditster@...> wrote :

On 11/14/2014 2:50 AM, TurquoiseBee

Prove to
me that there is or ever has been such a thing as an
"enlightened being." I'll wait. 

Perception is reality- there are no other
experiences except those that are subjective. Almost everything
we know is based on verbal testimony what someone TOLD US. 

There is no knowing outside of conscious experience - knowledge
is structured in consciousness. 

Everyone is special by virtue of being human with a
self-conscious mind. The proof that everyone is enlightened is
consciousness itself. 

The only reason you don't have the experience of being
enlightened is because you are not Self-realized - you are
ignorant. You didn't listen to your teachers and you apparently
have not even read any wisdom books.

Go figure.

The thing
is, John, you can't do it. You believe in
"enlightenment" for the same reason you believe that
these works of fiction are "wisdom books," because
someone you chose to believe TOLD YOU. That does *NOT*
constitute proof. 

Me,I believe that the subjective experience that some
call enlightenment exists. I believe this because I've
experienced it for weeks and months at a time. But
*having experienced it*, I can say that it was JUST
ANOTHER EXPERIENCE. It did *not* make me "special,"
and it doesn 't make anyone *else* "special," either.
It doesn't make anything they say any more accurate or
cosmic or correct or valuable, any more than a
profound drug-induced or psychosis-induced subjective
experience does.

Youdon't want to believe this because you have invested
decades of your life pursuing practices that you
believe will make you "special." And after all these
decades you are really *desperate* to be "special." My
advice is to relax, because it is never going to
happen. Even if you have experiences that convince you
that you're "enlightened," no one (except the gullible
idiots on the Batgap Forum) will treat you any
differently, no one will think you're "wise," and no
one will be any more impressed by you than they ever
have been. 

if you write a book based on your experiences, it
definitely won't be a "wisdom book." :-)

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