--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:37 AM, sparaig wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > > >> One of the signs that the fourth pranayama has been attained is > >> paralysis. > > > > Er, and this is different than simply not being aware of they body > > during samadhi, how? "Spontaneous paralysis" doesn't sound real > > great to me. > > It is disconcerting at first, but a good teacher explains all this > so there's no worry. > > > The spontaneous episodes of breath suspension during samadhi in > > TM are easily interupted, by tapping someone on the shoulder or > > otherwise getting their attention. How do you show that someone is > > truely paralyzed in your world BTW? > > It's something you would have to experience, it's just the best > way to describe it.
Seems to me what Lawson is pointing out is that "spontaneous paralysis" in the context of samadhi (pure transcendental consciousness, or turiya) doesn't make any sense. The instant one *tries* to move, one is no longer in that state. In other words, that one's muscles don't move in samadhi is a function of having no intention to move (or any other intention). There's no way to establish paralysis in turiya because there's no way to test it. There may be something to what you say, but you haven't described it well enough to avoid self- contradiction. > > It is first perfect in various parts of the body. There > >> are documented stories of students in the US who have perfected > >> this to the point of being able to have minor surgery with very > >> little local anesthesia. The other sign is prolonged suspension > >> of breathing. > > > > Documentation in peer-reviewed journals? > > Actually what I had seen was a signed letter from the physician > who performed the surgery written to the teacher/guru himself. Paralysis and anesthesia are two different phenomena. One can be paralyzed without being anesthetized, and certainly locally anesthetized without being paralyzed. Further, *I've* had minor surgery with very little local anesthesia, without any meditative component. These terms are far too relative, depending on far too many individual factors, to be meaningful as you've described the situation. Again, there may be something to what you say, but you haven't presented it in a way that establishes anything. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
