Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

[Vaj]

On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:49 AM, sparaig wrote: The spontaneous episodes of breath suspension during samadhi in TM are easily interupted, by tapping someone on the shoulder or otherwise getting their attention. How do you show that someone is truely paralyzed in your world BTW? It's something you would have to experience, it's just the best  way   to describe it. So, where's the peer reviewed research on the phenomenon? Why is this so important to you? It's more importantly part of the teaching. If you learn it, then you have the opportunity to no longer remain in doubt. Of course then perhaps you could perform a study if you liked. There will be an upcoming study on forms of meditation where this does occur. Honestly I don't know if past reports I'd heard of were published or not. I see things every now and then.  While I find it interesting, it's not real important to me. What I am interested in is people perfecting it and passing it on (preferably for free). :-)  It is first perfect in various parts of the body. There are documented stories of students in the US who have perfected  this to the point of  being able to have minor surgery with very  little local anesthesia. The other sign is prolonged suspension of   breathing. Documentation in peer-reviewed journals? Actually what I had seen was a signed letter from the physician  who   performed the surgery written to the teacher/guru himself. I was referring to the "prolonged suspension of breathing." There are  plenty of documented cases of peoplehaving surgury with no  anesthetic. I'm hard-pressed to see why you think either is a sign of  spiritualy, in and of itself. I never said it was a sign of "spiritualy" (or spirituality). It is a sign of the fourth pranayama. The breath suspension thing during TM  is correlated with self-reports of samadhi, and THAT is why its so  interesting from a spiritualand physiological point of view... Their definition of samadhi. But not really. It was just to sell mantras dude. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.