--- In [email protected], doctor_gabby_savy
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>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], doctor_gabby_savy
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], doctor_gabby_savy
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend"
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> > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > > Just take it as a given that
> > > > > while the constellation
> > > > > the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the
> > > > > precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal
> > > > > equinox itself does not change--
> > >
> > > So Judy you appear to be saying that due to precession when the
sun
> > > is in, let say virgo, at vernal equinox in 13000 years, its
going
> > > to March.
> >
> > Sorry, I can't parse this sentence. (If you meant to
> > write "going to BE March," yes, the vernal equinox is
> > always in March.)
> >
> Yes, "BE" should have been included.
>
> > See Vaj's post about frames of reference. Somehow
> > you've managed to confuse at least two different ones.
>
> Perhaps.
>
> > As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position
> > the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame
> > of reference from the position of the sun from year
> > to year at the time of the vernal equinox.
>
> And your reasoning for why that is so is not clear.
That's because I don't know where the error in your
mental model is occurring.
> > In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun
> > will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox
> > (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013).
>
> Actually I think its 2100. I know a lot of cites say 2013 the math
> says 2110. VE "entered" pisces in 60 BCE, the precession for a
> distance of a constellation is 2170 years.
Yes, when the transition occurs is a matter of
interpretation.
> > However, in the
> > former frame of reference, this year the sun will be
> > in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox.
>
> I think you are confusing sideral and tropical frames of reference.
> In sideral frame (the one used in jyotish) this year the sun will be
> in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox and (again) this year
> the sun will be Pisces at the vernal equinox.
>
> In tropical frame this year the sun will be in Aries at the time of
> the vernal equinox and (again) this year the sun will be Aries at
> the vernal equinox.
>
> (Sorry for repetion but I was modeling your format.)
Not the issue here.
> > former frame of reference, this year the sun will be
> > in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox.
>
> > The *words* are the same ("The sun is in X
> > constellation at the vernal equinox"), but because
> > the frames of reference are entirely different, what
> > "X" is in each case is also entirely different.
>
> I fail to see the distinction. I run a jyotish program, with a
> visual transit feature a lot. In current time freame, when the sun
> is in pisces at the VE it is march. When the sun is in Virgo it is
> september. The sun is not in two different constallations at the
> same time.
Not if you're using the same frame of reference, no.
> It is in two only superficially. Though in the same
> spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in
> Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames.
No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of-
reference principle holds whether it's Tropical or
Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus
Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but
that's not the difference I'm talking about here.
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