On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:19 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their
> > time experientially investigating consciousness--debate?
>
> No, but some how I feel exactly as if I have. The words bring a
> detailed image to mind. And the Gelukpa monks is not a bad model.
> Using the fine discrimination of the intellect to bring out subtle
> points and distinctions.
>
> Or the Socratic model. Asking questions, participating in the
> dialectic can be quite enlivening. Was Socrates wrong in saying it
> leads to the highest knowledge, to "Know Thyself"?


Well in the case of the Gelukpa's, I see a group of people,  
investigating *emptiness* at finer and finer levels and then spending  
a good amount of the rest of their time debating the paradox of how  
there can be 'form and emptiness', 'emptiness and form'. As a  
consequence they're able to train others in emptiness in a very  
authentic way. They share and play well with others.


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