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> On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:46 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:
> >
> > All of which swerves widely from the main point: Could MMy have some
> > knowledge of sexually related tantric practices by one of many means?
> Of course you know it's likely he could, esp. if he really is a yogi,
> since one of the main texts on yoga contains rather explicit
> instructions...
OK then.
> There's just absolutely no evidence he practices these.
And it appears, to the same degree your statement above reflects the
truth, "There's just absolutely no evidence that he DOESN'T practice
these."
> > > It's possible he received transmission of Sri Vidya in this manner,
> > > however there is no evidence that I am aware of he did receive such.
> >
> > Agreed. So its possible. Not established either way.
>
> He also has brought people in to teach him things.
Oh the shame, the shame!!!! Were (among) their names, Larry Domash
and John Haiglin?
> > > Indeed some of
> > > the more prominent revelations of MMY are straight out of various
> > > commentaries.
> >
> > And you expected him to teach something outside of the Holy Tradition?
> > > In other words, if he did claim to have received such revelation, I
> > > (personally), would take it with a very large grain of salt.
> >
> > Ok. And if he didn't claim such. But simply shared some insights he
> > got from listening to scripture,and discussing such from pundits.
>
> Unfortunately it didn't come out that way to the disciples.
I didn't realize he had disciples outside of india (and avery few ex
western ones). So either you have some MUCH MUCH more inner knowledge
of M and TMO, or are overcome by the reflected light of myths which
reflect on mirrors MUCH MUCH on the outside from point from where I
observed things.
How often did you see M discuss things with Pundits? I did everyday
for a long time. And of course there have been many more days in the
past 30 years that I have not. I don't claim comprehnsiveness. But in
my in-person experience, I recall a lot of gentle back and forth,
respective and loving exchanges, and LOTS of respect paid by M to the
pundits.
Who are referencing besides {Tom??} from Estes Park?
> I think he did get insights from listening to pundits, but it ended
> up coming out as "the Great rishi hath spoken this revealed
> material."
You personally witnessed this? I never did. Rick, did you?
Or are you going on 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand accounts? Where layers of
"interpreatations" come into play. And tell me with a straight face
that Tom(?) the Estes Park guy doesn't have a specific angle, and
exhibits strong attempts to convince people of his POV. Not a crime,
but he clearly is not an impassioned observer.
> >
> > INmy personal observation, M never claimed to be a Rig Veda scholar.
> > THATS why in the early 7o's he invited Pundit Devarat -- the most
> > respected Rig Veda pundit at thattime, to join him. To chant and
> > discuss things in RV everyday. I personally saw M give great respect,
> > honor and reverence to Deverat everyday. Same with SamaVed Pundits.
> >
> > What pundits did you personally see him "rob" stuff from.
>
> Now you're saying I said he "robbed" stuff from pundits?
> <sigh> Nevermind.
OK. Why get dismissive and condescending, friend? I take this as a
friendly exhange to get to what we know and what we do n't know. It is
my word "rob", not yours, describing what I interpreted what you were
trying to say. What verb would you use to best describe his actions
towards them.
> In short, I see no evidence to support your Maharishi-as-tantric
> adept enlightening his female students thru sex from the spontaneous
> transmission he received from SBS once-upon-a-time.
Which I am not claiming as certain. But as one of many possiblities.
I hope the above is not a strawman formulation. You read more clearly
than that. I have raised the possibility that:
1) M had or probably had access to i) a tantric teacher, ii) a number
of tantric / yogic adepts, iii) passive and active transmission, from
ii) and iv) a culture where real tantra was known by many. And thus M
MAY have had some knowledge of the small subset of trantra having to
do with sex and internal energies. I see this as quite probable. You
may not.
2) M is an experimenter. Maybe in your experience around him, you were
not fortunate enough to see this. But its a wonderful adaptiveness and
responsiveness to what works and tossing, or waiting on, things that
don't work. Its constant. So if #1 is possible and even likely, I
personally find it possible, if not likely that M experiemented with
sexual tantra in his encounters with 20ish quite shaki-laden women
(one of the shakti-laden woman I used to observe every night).
So that you see no evidence to support your "Maharishi-as-tantric
adept enlightening his female students thru sex from the spontaneous
transmission he received from SBS once-upon-a-time" most odd
characterization is no surprise. Its a limited and distorted,
strawmanish representation of what has been said, its mind-boggling
that its coming from you. Who I take as a open, open-inquiry,
rational, non-dogmatic, balanced kind of guy.
So forget your IMO distorted formation of the issue. The relevant
question is do you have any evidence of substance that disproves or
discounts the possibility of #1 and #2 above. Its NOT saying #1 and #2
are true, but simply acknowledging that they are hypotheses that
cannot be concluseively disproven (at this point).
> Certainly not an Occam's razor kinda idea.
To me, the preceeding paragraph is the simplest credible hypothesis.
> Perhaps Rick could pass on this idea to some of the women he had
> "tantric sex" with and you could get their response?
With all of this discussion, can you with a straight face state that I
have been claiming Jennifer and all absolutely had tantric sex with M?
If so, reread. Or maybe try drugs to open the door of perception. All
else seems to have failed. :)
If Jennifer (the only one rick has somewhat ready access to, AFAIK,
can state without qualification, that in her experience there were i)
absolutely no outer indications of tantra, ii) she is qualified to
know such, and iii) she was so in-tuned with M's mind and inner
states/physiology that she KNOWS no tantric intent, or tantric type
flows of energy was ever occurring, then great. We would have a pretty
definitive answer from Jennifer's experience. Then onto Linda and all
and we may have pretty well indicated the hypotheses (#1 and #2) are
false. Until then, well, they not been indicated as false.
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