On Jun 10, 2006, at 11:34 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


One thing that Sanskrit literature and philosophy teaches us is that  

each drishti or way-of-seeing is unique, and therefore each way-of- 

seeing has it's own unique, internal logic. These are relative to one  

another, but different. This is part of conventionality or the  

relative. Waking state's linear logic may appear different to dream  

state's logic, and waking state's way-of-seeing may see dreaming  

state's logic as "magical thinking". It would also see the way-of- 

seeing of Unity Consciousness the same way (as magical thinking). All  

these things really tell you is looking *across* different ways-of- 

seeing only shows that different ways-of-seeing are relative to one  

another.


Different beings, in different dimensions of existence will also  

experience the same phenomenon differently. A traditional example  

given would be of a river which a human would see as something to  

drink, fish would see as their home and gods would see as nectar  

(etc., etc.).


The view in Jivan-mukta or other states does not change  the chemistry

and physics of a jet engine. The perspective and context aboutsuch

knowledge may change, but Bernoulli's law is still Bernoulli's law. 


These are part of conventional reality which are part of impure (samsaric) perception. It should be considered 'conventional valid cognition of limited impure perception'. In other words it the style of perception that can be seen by ordinary people. It explains reality based on concepts of cause and effect.

Ordinary people can perceive conventional logical constructs, like physical laws, etc. They cannot perceive 'conventional valid cognition of pure sublime vision, valid cognition of the *conceptual* ultimate reality or valid cognition of the *nonconceptual* ultimate reality. These pramanas (logical approaches) are beyond cause and effect and do not necessarily adhere to the the style of cognition used by ordinary beings who perceive limited impure perception.

Enlightened or sublime beings do not require objects of conceptutalization to understand, explain or manipulate deceptive reality (impure or samsraic vision). 

Of course to ordinary persons the description of *nonconceptual* ultimate reality seems like magical thinking and the performance of action from the level of *nonconceptual* ultimate reality seems like magic.

But it's just different.


(Except on Trans-Love Airlines -- which gets you THERE on time" as

Donovan and Jefferson Airplane sang.)


I thought they went out of business in the 60's  ;-)

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