"And also regarding getting escorted out, were those that this
happened to respectful? Just curious, because we'd be treated
similarly in any company meeting if openly challenging a CEO
disrespecfully- not making any assumptions here, just gethering
info. Thanks"

You make a good point here.  Controlling the room is something Bush
does too and I'll bet seeing Trump personally isn't easy if you are a
skeptic.  That did not prove my point. The question becomes, does he
claim to be enlightened.  I vote "yes".

" Just because he said he was enlightened, why did
> they believe it?"

This is a deep point.  I'm sure you know all about Lifton's
perspective.  That is my guess.  My conscious rational mind was not
functioning properly.  Plus I believe the darshon experience is real
and powerful.  I just do not believe the traditional interpretation of
what it means.  People who saw Mao described the experience in similar
terms of people's description of personal contact with a master.  I
don't believe it was because he was a radiator of pure being.  It may
just be one of those mental experiences that had an evolutionary value
when not deferring to the alpha chimp could mean death.  Just a guess.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> >
> > "This is a frequent mistake people make, *assuming* that Maharishi
> > > [or another guru] is enlightened (I think psychologists refer to
> > > this phenomenon as transference), and then based on that 
> assumption,
> > > interpret what Maharishi says as true, often misintepreting and
> > > misunderstanding what the guru says."
> > 
> > I am pretty sure we got this idea about his state from him.  I 
> don't
> > think it is assumptive on our part.  If you treat him in any way 
> other
> > then as " enlightened master" you are quickly escorted out of the
> > room.  It is not assumed, it is enforced.  
> 
> I can't say, never met him, except once in a dream and that doesn't 
> count. My point above was the *assumption* that many (all?) of his 
> followers make. Just because he said he was enlightened, why did 
> they believe it? 
> 
> And also regarding getting escorted out, were those that this 
> happened to respectful? Just curious, because we'd be treated 
> similarly in any company meeting if openly challenging a CEO 
> disrespecfully- not making any assumptions here, just gethering 
> info. Thanks
>







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