"I don't know 'Lifton' or what that refers to. My take on why people
ascribe stuff to their teachers is they want to personalize their
own inner transformation, and the teacher is a convenient...target?
lol."

I'm sure this is true in many relationships.  I think when he adopted
the name "Maharishi", he was stacking the deck in favor of that
belief.  But I respect your emphasis on personal responsibility.

Lifton is a thought-reform expert. His work had a profound impact on
my perspective of my experiences in TM.  



--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" 
> <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> >
> > "And also regarding getting escorted out, were those that this
> > happened to respectful? Just curious, because we'd be treated
> > similarly in any company meeting if openly challenging a CEO
> > disrespecfully- not making any assumptions here, just gethering
> > info. Thanks"
> > 
> > You make a good point here.  Controlling the room is something Bush
> > does too and I'll bet seeing Trump personally isn't easy if you 
> are a
> > skeptic.  That did not prove my point. The question becomes, does 
> he
> > claim to be enlightened.  I vote "yes".
> 
> And my question remains, so what?
> 
> > 
> > " Just because he said he was enlightened, why did
> > > they believe it?"
> > 
> > This is a deep point.  I'm sure you know all about Lifton's
> > perspective.  That is my guess.  My conscious rational mind was not
> > functioning properly.  Plus I believe the darshon experience is 
> real
> > and powerful.  I just do not believe the traditional 
> interpretation of
> > what it means.  People who saw Mao described the experience in 
> similar
> > terms of people's description of personal contact with a master.  I
> > don't believe it was because he was a radiator of pure being.  It 
> may
> > just be one of those mental experiences that had an evolutionary 
> value
> > when not deferring to the alpha chimp could mean death.  Just a 
> guess.
> > 
> I don't know 'Lifton' or what that refers to. My take on why people 
> ascribe stuff to their teachers is they want to personalize their 
> own inner transformation, and the teacher is a convenient...target? 
> lol.
>






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