"They don't do this because the purpose of the the ME is political, not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific reasons."
Nicely stated. Other spiritual groups just state their beliefs and if you want to join you know what you are getting into. Religions operate this way also and it has a certain integrity. TM's presentation has always had a slippery element. Maybe MMY's desire to have a huge mainstream movement was his downfall. I notice in your posts, Peter, a spiritual primacy of consciousness over matter perspective that doesn't try to be anything else. I don't always share the perspective, but I know where you stand and I can learn a different view. It has integrity. TM's presentation tried to be everything to everybody and ended up being a pseudo materialistic spirituality. I think low movement numbers reflect this lack of the movement knowing what it is. The pompous and ridiculous Rajas are the perfect symbol of this lack of identity integrity. Rich guys in gold party hats. Visual poetic justice! --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- "Bill (William)Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Of course the larger the number the better in > > studies worth any > > serious consideration. > > > > However, > > > > Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. > > Because of the length > > of time factor of the study group. > > > > 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to TM's > > introduction into > > the community and should be verifable through past > > public/police/court records. > > > > 2. Then the introduction of TM and its organization > > to the community. > > > > 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime > > rate could be > > tracted along with the steady growth of practising > > meditators. > > > > To my way of thinking. Thirty years of meditations > > by a steadily > > increasing population of meditators (far exceeding > > the 1% cl;aimed > > necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must result > > in a reduction > > in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME therory > > is disproved. > > > > Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of such a > > study. If > > not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses were > > reported in > > Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in > > Fairfield and how many > > reported offenses occured say last year? The trends > > should point to > > a declining crime rate given the significant number > > of meditators in > > the community. > > Based on the theory of the ME you are absolutely > correct. If the TMO/MUM was serious about > understanding the field effects of consciousness they > would have to understand why the ME does not appear to > work in Fairfield and expand the ME theory to > integrate this apparent contradiction. They don't do > this because the purpose of the the ME is political, > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific > reasons. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
