--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > More power to anyone claiming awakening. But without specific > > physiological correlates, its not TMO enlightenement. It is > something > > else, some other definition of higher states, other than the > TMO's. > > Such as it appears Jim is doing. > > > > That doesn't imply that such awakened or non-TMO BC aren't > substantial > > or "less". But they are not the TMO thing. > > > > It does raise a good set of questions: i) is refinement of the > nervous > > system, ii) is a nervous system indeed necessry' for > enlightenment? > > > > Peter, if i understand his past posts, has said "no" to i). Though > > this is clearly contgraty to TMO dogma / theory. His response to > ii) > > would be intersting. > > > > Alex, what is your view on the above two questions? > > > You are getting sucked into the conventional wisdom regarding how to > measure stuff like consciousness.
i am not getting sucked into anything. I have not stated my views. I am simply pointing out that the TMO and MMY has a cleary different view than you on the physiological correlates of higher states, and what those higher states are -- and their manifest attributes in the physiology of the liberated one. > While each state of awareness is > physiologically distinct, I am not convinced each can be measured by > today's scientific instruments. Clearly you are not. MMY and the TMO clearly are. Thus there is a huge different in your views. And maifest attributes of higher states. And what the states are. That is what is so funny. You "experience" something. Probably grand. However you interpret in a particular way that what you experience is TMO/ MMY BC. Yet you have never discussed your experience with MMY. Or even with someone, or many, from what i can tell, who have. Yet you know MMY is quite particular, specific, very picky IMO, about experiences. Particulary UC/BC. And as john said, he is not impressed with "experiences" and imaginations without corresponding clear sidhis. Yet you continue to claim MMY BC. Its entertaining. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
