--- In [email protected], "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comment below: > ** > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > **Snip** > > > > > > Since everyone on this forum has dealt with the issue of where > they > > > (and others they may disagree with) stand regarding their > > > relationship with Maharishi, whether as their guru, or teacher, > or > > > former-guru, or charlatan, or whatever; and since virtually > > > everyone (if not everyone) acknowledges that Guru Dev is an > > > umimpeachable authority on this and other subjects which this > forum > > > is expressly dedicated to, it is patently obvious why Paul has > > > posted this. > > > > Gee, we just had a discussion about Guru Dev's views > > on who could and could not be a guru, and most here > > seemed to agree Guru Dev wasn't unimpeachable on that > > point at all. > > > > In any case, Paul seems to be very sensitive about > > folks assuming what his motivations are, so I thought > > it better to ask. Of course, he rarely posts anything > > from either Guru Dev or MMY that is not designed to > > make MMY look bad by comparison. Kind of a shame to > > use Guru Dev for that purpose, I think. > > > > As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear > > to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind > > of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm > > sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, > > at any rate, why he posted the quote. > > > **Snip to end** > > Just a couple of things. First, although anyone can argue with the > interpretation of what anyone has said, Guru Dev included, my point > was that he, himself, was an unimpeachable authority. That having > been said (and perhaps I'm wrong in making that initial assumption), > certainly what he actually meant or didn't mean by any statements > attributed to him is part of the purpose of forums like this one. > If, however, he said it, then I feel it is fundamentally reasonable > to post it here. > > As to whether or not Maharishi functions or functioned for anyone > as a personal guru or not is specifically part of the discussion. > Alex and a number of people legitimately believe that he did not > and does not function in that role. Although I don't disagree with > that assessment, nevertheless, I personally hold Maharishi as my > guru and have since the first moment I saw him. That's not to say > that I don't disagree with much of what I have seen and heard, not > to say that I am not disappointed with much that I have seen and > heard, not to say that I would be considered much of an ideal > disciple (should that specific issue even come up).
(So you're in the pick-and-choose camp as regards MMY, per Rick's comment.) I'm not sure what definition of "guru" you're using, but I suspect Alex meant a teacher from whom you receive constant personal guidance. Is that your actual relationship with MMY? <snip> > I have for a long time felt that what I knew of Maharishi at the > time I knew him was the radiance of Guru Dev shining through him. > In that respect he was the disciple, just like the master. I don't > know more than that, but it is enough and the words of Guru Dev are > important to me because I feel that I have been in his presence > through this disciple of his. For me there's plenty of reason to > post anything Guru Dev ever said and evaluate it through the lens > of what I know and feel after so much time and experience. > > I don't question Paul's motives; his love for Guru Dev, if not for > Maharishi, is enough to validate his intentions in my mind and in > my heart. Well, as I said, I don't find it particularly respectful of Guru Dev to quote him repeatedly as a way of denigrating one of his prominent disciples, whatever Paul may think of that disciple (and Paul has been quite explicit about what he's doing in a number of cases). And from your earlier post, I had the distinct impression that's why you understood him to have posted the quote about switching gurus, so I'm a little confused here. That appears to be how Rick understood it as well. But perhaps I've misunderstood both of you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
