--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I assume that the moderators (Rick, Alex, and
> > > > whoever) can tell what a poster's real address
> > > > is behind their Yahoo address. I hereby give
> > > > them permission to "bust" me publicly here if 
> > > > their resources show that I (TurquoiseB/Barry) 
> > > > am the same poster as Geezerfreak.
> > > 
> > > Actually, Barry, I can't see your email or IP address because you
> > > config'd your subscription with the "Hide my email and IP 
> address from
> > > the group moderators" option. And, I don't think Rick, the group
> > > owner, can see them either. I did look up geezerfreak's IP, and 
> it's
> > > an AOL IP. I googled the newest post I could find by Uncle 
> Tantra on
> > > a.m.t (Apr 25 2005), and it originated from out-of.ilog.fr
> > >
> >   
> > Of course, logically speaking, Barry could simply write messages 
> to a
> > friend in the states who posts them under a yahoo name barry set 
> up.
> > 
> > But the "energy signiture" appears quite different between the 
> two. An
> > obvious thing Jim appears to have missed. Normally, no harm, no 
> foul. 
> > 
> > But for Jim, who has made (it appears to me) quite definitive and
> > fully-confident observations based on his ability to clearly
> > distinguish "energy-signitures" of different people, or to "look at
> > them a certainway" virtually --not in person --  and "gain specific
> > knowledge" of them, as well as the ~"only WE can recognize each 
> other"
> > phenomenon, it perhaps is significant that his foo foo raydar is
> > malfunctioning in the case of Barry and Gezzerfreak. Makes you 
> wonder,
> > could it also be malfunctioning in other confident observations of 
> his?
> > 
> > Not to pick-on or focus on Jim, but (mis)interpreting ones 
> abilities,
> > experiences and states is a key issue /hurrdle, IMO. This is one 
> of a
> > number of examples posted, periodically, where the interpretation 
> does
> > not fit the circumstances, though to the observer they really 
> [really]
> > seem to. 
> > 
> > Thus, perhaps,the value of a Guru who has lived the Supreme state 
> for
> > 30-40 years, has seen many false claims and false starts, to
> > verify and label experiences, and not to solely rely on co-
> dependent
> > praises from "a circle of friends." [Termed a "circle jerk" by one 
> wag".]
> > 
> > As to states of consciousness that Barry brought up, on the 
> surface,
> > there appears little connection to the ability to distinguish two
> > posters -- and the state of ones consciousness. 
> > 
> > Unless, if one claims they have special knowledge, insights and
> > abilities that stem from their "Enlightenment" -- however defined -
> -
> > and these special abilities are shown to be only imaginations, 
> then it
> > does cast some shadows on claims of total Enlightenment. And/or the
> > persons correct interpretation of what they experience.
> >
> 
> Now, if you recall the question I asked of you awhile back, please 
> name just one person on the entire planet today who is enlightened. 
> Just one. 
> 
> It is clear you have doubts about my claim to be enlightened. So put 
> me aside for the time being. Please name one enlightened person on 
> the planet today. Just one.
>


MMY defines fully mature Unity as ability to perform all sidhis without benefit 
of practicing 
a sutra. I don't believe anyone is in that state today, if ever there was 
someone.








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