--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > MMY defines fully mature Unity as ability to perform all sidhis without benefit of practicing > a sutra. I don't believe anyone is in that state today, if ever there was someone.
That is one of my points. And there is a long thread on this about a month ago. As some (Judy, for example) pointed out,and I agree, its virtually a truism that to claim MMY/TMO style of enlightenment, one needs to fulfill TMO/MMY" criteria. Its so obvious, its hard to believe that some dispute this almost "identity" statement, like "A=A". Yet some do. Its mind boggling. And then they have issues with, feel insulted apparently, if one questions their claims (of MMY/TMO style enlightnement) or their abilities to correctly interpret their experiences when they can't even grok a basic truism. On the other hand, I have fewor no comments in "self-proclaimed" enlightenments becaause, AFAIR, no one ever has the cosmic balls to actually define and articulate the attributes the enlightenment they proclaim. (But some make tired arguments about "how can define atributes of the attrributeless?" Fine then, but then the rock on my desk is as enlightened as they are. Or they have no way of contering such a claim.) But self-proclaimed stuff if fine, as far as i am concerned. It just doesn't amount to much in my book, unless there is some coherence to the "talk" about it, and the exude and radiate the qualities they claim. And those proclaimed "enlightened" or "awakened" by specific traditions, more power to them. I have been nothing but complimentary of Alex and his "second degree awakening in the Waking-Down tradition". (my phrasing, apologies if I got it wrong). I may not know exactly what it is, but I have read thier websites and have a feel for what it means. Cool. Waking-down on! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
