--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > > No "purification" is required to experience realization.
> > > > > Realization is present at every moment and has always 
> > > > > been present at every moment of one's life. There was
> > > > > no moment in which one was ever *not* realized. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not realizing one's enlightenment is a choice, not a 
> > > > > matter of a "clogged" or "impure" nervous system. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > IMO, of course. Your mileage may vary.
> > > > 
> > > > And your evidence for this is...
> > > > 
> > > > Your own "experience?"
> > > 
> > > Yup. And that of dozens of my friends and hundreds
> > > of people within the traditions I have studied.
> > > They have actually *had* the experience of realization,
> > > unlike some traditions that can only talk about it in
> > > theory and come up with excuses for why *their* students
> > > *don't* have the experience itself.
> > 
> > Which traditions would those be?
> >
> it sounds like 'Shamanism', only its called 'Strawmanism'...:-)

Gosh, I never woulda guessed...


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