--- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> 
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> [big snip]
> 
> 
> > > > but my involvement in such things is limited to just this 
> > > > board, one other, and my daily practice of TM. I have no 
> > involvement 
> > > > nor do I discuss my spiritual life with anyone or any group 
> > outside 
> > > > this and one other forum.:-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That's irrelevant to this discussion.
> > >
> > OK- Thanks for your comments. In such an online discussion it is 
> > difficult for me to see what the real issues are sometimes. So, 
you 
> > want me to say that I understand that Maharishi has done some 
things 
> > or caused those in his organization to do some things which 
others 
> > see as wrong. Yes, I see that. 
> > 
> > Second issue seems to be: Do I admit that Maharishi has done 
some 
> > things that are wrong, and therefore these things impact my 
judgment 
> > of his credibility? And my answer is that whatever he may have 
done 
> > that is wrong doesn't impact my view of him. Which speaks 
directly 
> > to the critical issue here of what I am attempting to get from 
him 
> > that requires that his credibility remain absolutely intact. 
Because 
> > the two are intimately linked; need and credibility.
> 
> 
> This isn't about 'you' Jim OR what 'you' need or believe. It's 
about
> Maharishi's legitimacy as a teacher and spiritual icon in terms of
> right and wrong and the implications that flow from that for the
> movement, all TMers and the public.
> 
> 
> > There is nothing I need from Maharishi. Absolutely nothing at 
all. 
> > Zip. Not enlightenment, or CC or GC or UC or Brahman, or any 
> > explanations, elucidations, clarifications, techniques, or 
anything 
> > else. That being said, there is nothing he can do to affect his 
> > credibility with me. I want nothing from Maharishi, past, 
present or 
> > future.
> > 
> > I hope this settles the question with you John. We appear to 
have 
> > very different needs with regard to our relationship with  
> > Maharishi.:-)
> 
> The discussion has *nothing* to do at all with what you or I might
> "need" from Maharishi. It appears that you're tap dancing and that
> it's a waste of time to discuss this any further with you. That's
> unfortunate... for me, as I was beginning to feel that someone like
> you would openly address this issue.
>
Not tap dancing at all. What is there to do? Post stuff on that TM 
Free website? What do you want to do? Again, it comes down to your 
objectives. What are your objectives here? 

If Maharishi's reputation is sullied and it affects his credibility 
in the eyes of the public, and therefore fewer people will see the 
legitimacy of TM, what is there to do? Must something be done, or 
can we trust that as Maharishi once said, "all is well and wisely 
set"? What kind of result are you looking for? :-)

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