Amen.  





                                                 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
                                                 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
                                                 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
                                                                  St. Francis
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:50 PM
  Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?


  Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens.  FIP is much more common in cats who 
are FeLV+.  At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same 
disorder.

  The cattery situations often involve inbreeding.

  I am on the FIP list.  I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but 
they have always been kittens under 10 months in age.

  Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP.  Please do not lock on FIP as 
the only explanation.  From what you have described I think you need to look at 
toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other 
alternative medicines, something else.  Your situation does not sound like FIP 
to me.  It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic 
substance.  You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this.  
Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable 
cause.

  Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    It's not that common - but there are a couple people on FIP list who has 
had a similar experience as I do - some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of 
hundreds even in some sheleter - they were all young kittens -
    I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one 
after the other to wet  and dry FIP - and also Sally forester lost a several 
kittens to wet FIP within a few months period - once you lose a couple of them, 
you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I 
rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance 
low grade fever - I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps 
come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107 
temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just 
calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy.. 
dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just don't feel too good but they 
usually eat okay - that's why it's to easy to miss..
     

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    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
    Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
     
    Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still.  It is very unlikely 
for so many to get it at once.  Can you consult with an internist?
    Michelle
     
    In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
      What a nice things to say, Marlyn -  you are making me cry more..
      It's very difficult with this diseases - as they did not come diseased 
before they came to my house - FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat 
household - so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease 
and I just can't change that..
     

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