What are they? Sorry, language problem here --:-)
_____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? OK--long shot: Do you have philodendron or pathos in the house? None of us are picking on you.............just struggling to find answers. I just found out a few weeks ago that the above could be fatal to cats. I've had them and cats who ignored them since 1983. Dixie Louise is paying much too much attention to them. Again, just an idea. Some of the perfumes are also a problem for cats---air fresheners etc. This is all in love. I have no idea how you are standing so much. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: Hideyo Yamamoto <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? I usually don't give any herbal stuff - as it can be tricky especially Chinese one - especially if they are healthy.. I am not giving anything - some one from a different list wrote to me saying that she lost 4 kitties to FIP within the same month, and in 4 month the numbers got 2 digits --- and someone else on FIP list wrote to me saying that, they lost all of their 20 kitties who were less than one year old to FIP over the course of several months.. FIP incident is usally sporadic.. when I lost one kitty to FIP 5 years ago, none of the kitties got it.. but I also know from reading different people's experience that epidemic happens especially among breeders or shelters when there are so many cats at the same place.. and that's what my house is - and I am really feeling bad about my situation producing this damn disease.. _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? What about herbal or alternative medicines? Some things that are OK for people are toxic to cats. Perhaps walk through your house and look around, think about what else it could be. To have so many in such a short period of time, and with symptoms coming on so suddenly in some cases....look at other possibilities, especially where the cats are over a year in age. Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive either.. I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP - and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old - three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not, FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love to look into it..please let me know.. I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) - When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body, whether it's liver, kidney or CNS... _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same disorder. The cattery situations often involve inbreeding. I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but they have always been kittens under 10 months in age. Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this. Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable cause. Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's not that common - but there are a couple people on FIP list who has had a similar experience as I do - some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of hundreds even in some sheleter - they were all young kittens - I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one after the other to wet and dry FIP - and also Sally forester lost a several kittens to wet FIP within a few months period - once you lose a couple of them, you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance low grade fever - I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107 temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy.. dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just don't feel too good but they usually eat okay - that's why it's to easy to miss.. _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is very unlikely for so many to get it at once. Can you consult with an internist? Michelle In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a nice things to say, Marlyn - you are making me cry more.. It's very difficult with this diseases - as they did not come diseased before they came to my house - FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat household - so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease and I just can't change that..
